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Interesting that that many people were, potentially, traveling to the "traditional" SNN catchment area. My guess is that EI gambled people traveling to london would continue to travel with EI from ORK, particularly the significant numbers of passengers who find SNN and ORK easily accessible.
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I'd be amazed if the EI724 was full outbound at 2000 on a Feb Tuesday. For years EI have benefited from Cork people taking the car to Shannon and flying from there to JFK and BOS so that probably led them to believe that it might work in reverse for ORK-LHR.
Not a good sign for the City Jet flights though. Will a Limerick person travelling to Sydney route ORK-LHR-SYD or SNN-CDG-SYD. My money would be on the former as the choice is better ex London and the evening City Jet is useless for connections. . CDG is brilliant for connections but many of them are not popular long haul destinations for Irish People.
Not a good sign for the City Jet flights though. Will a Limerick person travelling to Sydney route ORK-LHR-SYD or SNN-CDG-SYD. My money would be on the former as the choice is better ex London and the evening City Jet is useless for connections. . CDG is brilliant for connections but many of them are not popular long haul destinations for Irish People.
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I'd be amazed if the EI724 was full outbound at 2000 on a Feb Tuesday. For years EI have benefited from Cork people taking the car to Shannon and flying from there to JFK and BOS so that probably led them to believe that it might work in reverse for ORK-LHR.
AF only starts tomorrow, give it a chance!
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The security is currently provided by in-house people, employed directly by the CAA. I was not aware that a tender had been issued.
AFAIK the cleaners at ORK are Knights Cleaning, which seems to be owned by the same group as servisair, who do have experience in this area, so I guess it is possible, but I would have thought we would have seen plans in the examiner re: redundancy payments, etc.
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AFAIK the cleaners at ORK are Knights Cleaning, which seems to be owned by the same group as servisair, who do have experience in this area, so I guess it is possible, but I would have thought we would have seen plans in the examiner re: redundancy payments, etc.
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What happens in industry sometimes is when a new company takes over or wins an ongoing contract like in security the new company takes over the employment of the all ready established staff. Whether the employees terms and conditions remain the same or get worse or better I would not be too sure. However, nothing would surprise me much any more. Somehow I doubt if the ladies and gents now doing the security screening at Cork have the same good terms as the all chiefs and no indians Aer Rianta crowd enjoyed.
There was a Calibrator aircraft around at Cork today and among other tasks she was testing out the new STAR arrival patterns. Just what Cork needs as we wave day, day to Budapest, Warsaw and Wroclaw? Still, I suppose it will make flying operations into Cork at the busier times a deal better for the summer.
Some good news. There are a pair of charters being fixed up for the Gloucester Vs Munster rugby game with Monarch and Astraeus being pencilled in for the flights.
Now, if the gang charged with drumming up new business for Cork had any Liathroidi Mor (Big b@lls!) they would be out there in the field organising a package to at least get the place a few US shopping flights for the coming winter season or is it a case of finding excuses for not wanting to try and leaving it all again to snn crowd. Excuse after endless excuse? With BUD, WAW & WRO going or gone you would think everything would be tried to recoup the losses?
There was a Calibrator aircraft around at Cork today and among other tasks she was testing out the new STAR arrival patterns. Just what Cork needs as we wave day, day to Budapest, Warsaw and Wroclaw? Still, I suppose it will make flying operations into Cork at the busier times a deal better for the summer.
Some good news. There are a pair of charters being fixed up for the Gloucester Vs Munster rugby game with Monarch and Astraeus being pencilled in for the flights.
Now, if the gang charged with drumming up new business for Cork had any Liathroidi Mor (Big b@lls!) they would be out there in the field organising a package to at least get the place a few US shopping flights for the coming winter season or is it a case of finding excuses for not wanting to try and leaving it all again to snn crowd. Excuse after endless excuse? With BUD, WAW & WRO going or gone you would think everything would be tried to recoup the losses?
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Tom, I heard it from someone whose buddy worked for them and the person I know says his buddy lost his job as a result.
On another Cork issue, I also heard that a baggage handling company were recruiting baggage handlers starting in April and to be reviewed in September ... It was €12.90 an hour BUT the hours were 6 hours a day, 7 days a week !
I presume they'd all be let go for the Winter season.
On another Cork issue, I also heard that a baggage handling company were recruiting baggage handlers starting in April and to be reviewed in September ... It was €12.90 an hour BUT the hours were 6 hours a day, 7 days a week !
I presume they'd all be let go for the Winter season.
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Sadly, they wont, ryan2000. These kind of employers are all over Cork and have been for a long time - not at all specific to aviation and with the weakening local economy the jobs above will be easily over subscribed.
Cork is full of nobber employers with local lackies in the lower orders happy to supervise jobs in a brutish manner with poor conditions for an extra Euro an hour or so.
It is going on whole scale in Cork.
Cork is full of nobber employers with local lackies in the lower orders happy to supervise jobs in a brutish manner with poor conditions for an extra Euro an hour or so.
It is going on whole scale in Cork.
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Oh Dear Poor Tom
There was a Calibrator aircraft around at Cork today and among other tasks she was testing out the new STAR arrival patterns. Just what Cork needs as we wave day, day to Budapest, Warsaw and Wroclaw? Still, I suppose it will make flying operations into Cork at the busier times a deal better for the summer.
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STARS and SIDS
I'm no expert at STARS and SID's. However I've heard that they are mixed views about the need for them at Cork and Shannon. Does the level of traffic at these airports warrant their use. Of course many of the private pilots at Cork will be inconvenienced by their inroduction. It also appears that Cork approach will be transfered to Dublin ATC from 2010.
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Cork Approach will be operated from Dublin later on this year
SIDS and STARS allow for smoother traffic flow. The STARS put the aircraft right on the ILS LLZ, meaning no vectors needed.
Even Kerry has SIDS. Nothing to do with Traffic levels...
SIDS and STARS allow for smoother traffic flow. The STARS put the aircraft right on the ILS LLZ, meaning no vectors needed.
Even Kerry has SIDS. Nothing to do with Traffic levels...
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Poor old Tom is just grand, beamwidth. 
Since SIDS and STARS have not been a part of the Cork way up to now my knowledge of the their procedures is fairly rudamentary I concede. However, I am willing to learn and I am looking forward to knowing more from experts like your good self on the subject. In the meantime I must look through an old Air 2000 folder that came my way for a bit of a recap. 
Anything that adds to safe flying operations is good in my book. However, it would be sad to see any dimunition of light aircraft operations in the Cork area in the years ahead when the local control in handed over to ATC in Dublin.
Anyone hear 96FM this morning? There were contributors phoning in to say how embarassing it is for Cork to not have a link to New York! Would love to have heard some of that!
Since SIDS and STARS have not been a part of the Cork way up to now my knowledge of the their procedures is fairly rudamentary I concede. However, I am willing to learn and I am looking forward to knowing more from experts like your good self on the subject. In the meantime I must look through an old Air 2000 folder that came my way for a bit of a recap. Anything that adds to safe flying operations is good in my book. However, it would be sad to see any dimunition of light aircraft operations in the Cork area in the years ahead when the local control in handed over to ATC in Dublin.
Anyone hear 96FM this morning? There were contributors phoning in to say how embarassing it is for Cork to not have a link to New York! Would love to have heard some of that!
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"There was a Calibrator aircraft around at Cork today and among other tasks she was testing out the new STAR arrival patterns. Just what Cork needs as we wave day, day to Budapest, Warsaw and Wroclaw? "
I would have thought that the introduction of SIDs & STARs at Cork was a very positive thing, gearing up for hopefully busier times ahead...if they didn't do it Tom would be whining about it.
How will the new procedures affect local GA traffic ? Has there been any meetings with the locals (Atlantic etc etc).
I would have thought that the introduction of SIDs & STARs at Cork was a very positive thing, gearing up for hopefully busier times ahead...if they didn't do it Tom would be whining about it.
How will the new procedures affect local GA traffic ? Has there been any meetings with the locals (Atlantic etc etc).
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To be fair, I think these types of arrival patterns will help ORK in the long run. I dont think we should say "yera we lost a few routes, no need". ORK needs to keep up with the times, and these arrival tracts are part of this. It should also make ORK safer. The new tower should also help the controllers have a better view over the field, with state of the art equipment.
Ill say it again, the debt needs to be sorted out. ORK needs to know what kind of future it can expect, even if this is part of the DAA, or preferably, Aer Rianta International restructured as the holding company of ORK, DUB, SNN the overseas investments, the "travel value" chain and other miscellaneous investments the DAA probably has. All these could be independent of each other in this type of structure, whil ORK and SNN would have time to restructure to find new routes and make stronger profits/reduce losses.
I dont see another viable alternative...
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Ill say it again, the debt needs to be sorted out. ORK needs to know what kind of future it can expect, even if this is part of the DAA, or preferably, Aer Rianta International restructured as the holding company of ORK, DUB, SNN the overseas investments, the "travel value" chain and other miscellaneous investments the DAA probably has. All these could be independent of each other in this type of structure, whil ORK and SNN would have time to restructure to find new routes and make stronger profits/reduce losses.
I dont see another viable alternative...
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Carcassonne
Judging by the prices being asked, Ryanair are going to make a sumptious profit on the Carcassonne route this summer 
In any case, their Cork based aircraft will be more profitable flying to Carcassonne than to Dublin.
In any case, their Cork based aircraft will be more profitable flying to Carcassonne than to Dublin.