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Old 14th Jul 2011, 12:29
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I think the largest problem the plane has now is frequency rather than point to point time.

Obviously, the car allows you complete freedom in terms of when you come and go and now that there's an hourly train service, that's not far behind. On the other hand, flying means you have to plan around the flight schedule.

In a way, the type of competition faced makes it more appropriate for a frequent service in a smaller aircraft i.e. what Aer Arann used to offer.

The irony is that Aer Arann could compete with land transport, but not Ryanair, while Ryanair could compete with Aer Arann, but struggle against land transport.

Flying still makes sense for connecting flights and offers some attraction if your destination if Malahide, Swords, Santry etc., but not for general travel to Dublin. Considering that connecting flights is probably the largest potential market, it's a pity that it's not available through Ryanair.
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Old 14th Jul 2011, 17:25
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With the termination of the PSO routes to most of the regional airports, Aer Arann/Aer Lingus Regional should reinstate the Dublin-Cork flights allowing connections not just to transatlantic flights but to other destinations not available from Cork and to destinations already available from Cork to complement the existing Cork schedule. These interline services would facilitate the business traveler which Ryanair Cork-Dublin services doesn't really cater for. Otherwise interline businesss travelers will continue to travel to/from Cork via London and Amsterdam.
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Old 15th Jul 2011, 00:15
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PLH, NQY gone from September, Air Southwest closing down Sep 30th. I'd be suprised if RE didnt take up the routes as summer destinations.
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Old 15th Jul 2011, 00:22
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PLH closing by December so it leaves NQY
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Old 15th Jul 2011, 00:58
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Would like to see ORK-NQY-EXT. Think the route would be a bit thin with just NQY. EXT will bring the additional passengers and revenue. Don't think BE are interested in the route from EXT to ORK.

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Old 15th Jul 2011, 07:34
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@840

You're absolutely right. I don't believe the route can sustain 189 seats x 2 every day. What would be better (for passenger convenience and sustainability) is an ATR42/72 on morning, lunch and evening flights. Hmm, who could have such a machine...?
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Old 18th Jul 2011, 15:54
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I had the rare pleasure of using an airbridge a last week arriving in from Heraklion!!!!!! I was stunned TBH
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Old 18th Jul 2011, 16:38
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Most charter flights use it when they can.
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Old 18th Jul 2011, 20:03
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Any further news on planned czech connect route to prague and wizz air to budapest?A little good news ,may passenger figures up 0.1%.A very small increase ,but 2 months of positive growth.
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Old 20th Jul 2011, 11:32
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Aer Lingus were using the airbridge last week on the 715/722 turnarounds. EI were monitoring turnaround times too see if the bridge is a viable option again.
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Old 20th Jul 2011, 14:33
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EUROCONTROL CFMU - EICK STAND OP


Stand 9 AB OP Allocation (20/07/11):


-> EIN710 LHR A320 (EI-DEE)
<-> LHR EIN711/EIN712 LHR A320 (EI-DEE)
<-> FAO EIN897/EIN822 CDG A320 (EI-DVL)
<-> AGP EIN883/EIN860 PMI A320 (EI-DEC) **
<-> LHR EIN715/EIN722 LHR A320 (EI-DEE)
<-> BCN EIN869/EIN844 AMS A320 (EI-DEA)
<-> CDG EIN823/EIN856 ALC A320 (EI-DVL)
<-> LHR EIN723/EIN724 LHR A320 (EI-DEE)
<-> AMS EIN845 A320 (EI-DEA)


** EIN883 TECH AGP - FLT CANCELLED, EI-DEC FERRIED TO DUB.


SCHEDULED STAND 9 ARR/DEP CHANGES:
<-> DUB EIN2001/EIN860 PMI A320 (EI-DEB) STAND 11
<- PMI EIN861 (EI-DEB) STAND 10
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Old 20th Jul 2011, 15:44
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Something Big?

Two FR reps in ORK today, i've heard there eyeing MAN and looking at starting the Summer routes in March next year plus a few new European destinations that have to be confirmed. EI just seem to want to base the 4 a/c next Summer and increase flights to existing Destinations although i've heard a new route for Summer 2012 by EI will be announced soon. As for EI Regional im thinking expansion next year also? there's going to be quite a few spare a/c and they have orders for 4 more ATR 72 from Jan 12. Also a new airline and route will be announced soon.
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Old 20th Jul 2011, 16:03
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No offence but you're just recycling the stale rumours that have been circulating here for a while. To be honest it is more likely I'll win the lotto than what you foresee...
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Old 20th Jul 2011, 17:21
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If Ryanair didn't come in on MAN, I wouldn't be too shocked to see an extra EI Regional aircraft.

EDI in particular and to a lesser extent MAN could take extra rotations. And there is a market for Cardiff from Cork, even if only 3 or 4 times a week.

There's also a gap opened in the South-West of England, although it would be hard to know where to serve. Newquay may be too thin; Exeter may be a bit close to Bristol. Maybe more rotations to Bristol could be in order.

However...

Some extra capacity could be created by not flying Ws to Shannon, so either allocating an aircraft to Shannon or allocating it to Dublin and flying Ws from there may also be options for Aer Arann.

Also, it remains to be seen what effect the Shannon incident will have. Will the aircraft in question ever fly again and what will the effect be on Aer Arann's finances?
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Old 20th Jul 2011, 17:26
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EI regional summer 2012 on sale. More less same as 2010. Would EI do Southampton from ORK. Did RE not drop it as they changed to EI regional.
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Old 20th Jul 2011, 18:31
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I doubt they'd offer anywhere that wasn't available as either a Regional or Mainline route from Dublin. Otherwise there are other potential routes that could come into play - Leeds/Bradford, East Midlands.

One thing I didn't say in my post. I'd they added an extra aircraft, I wouldn't be shocked if they restarted a service to Dublin.
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Old 20th Jul 2011, 18:58
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No offence but you're just recycling the stale rumours that have been circulating here for a while. To be honest it is more likely I'll win the lotto than what you foresee...
Your completley right, except your completley wrong with your statement '' it is more likely I'll win the lotto than what you foresee... '' because Cork has turned a corner routes that are not profitable gone, routes that are staying are being increased, and all carriers have found there niche, EI are doing BIG on the LON market, FR have increased London flights allowing more weekend/lesiure travellers and just to let you know Tuesdays 3x STN flight numbers where all averaging above the 80% mark you will see that in next months figures, its clear FR want to go back 3x daily and whats more frustrating is seeing the Regional flights going out at near 80% capacity everyday! the BRS route is making a killing but its going on a W pattern to where i've heard SNN-BRS-SNN is marginal and goes through its fair share of profitable and unprofitable moments. Its clear also the ORK market decline has bottomed out, its good to see FR are ''re analyzing'' there Winter schedule so that the ORK based aircraft dosent finish at 3 MON to FRI and has an extra flight which is where i see MAN come in. Jamie just to point out though EI Regional's schedule maybe be bookable but its fully released because of Business demand like ORK-AMS,CDG,LHR i mean look at ORK-CDG-ORK times for 2012, the full schedule wont be out till Sep/Oct, Nov at the latest. In terms of EI to DUB im keeping an open mind, i see the point of allowing onward travel to the US but i dont think this will happen until EI Regional can merge its operations into T2 or at least Pier B. Should be a positive few months ahead for Cork with a few good announcements expected. The reason EI Regional didnt return SOU as planned was because EI fly straight into LGW daily its about 1hr 30mins from Southampton. I could see EI Regional launching a DUB-ORK-NQY route maybe?

On Monday im heading to London Stansted with FR and coming back Tuesday on the new extra midday STN-ORK flight, and to my astonishment there seems to be less then 20 seats left out of a total of 567 seats available on Tuesday.

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Old 24th Jul 2011, 14:05
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so anymore route news for cork?With the loads at the moment,surely ryr will have to consider keeping some of the summer routes like bgy. I cant really see a 2nd dub flight per day.
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Old 24th Jul 2011, 15:04
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Flew to LHR on the EI-712 last wed and returned on the EI-725. 84pax outward and 90 return, not great numbers.
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Old 24th Jul 2011, 15:47
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true,thats very poor,lgw figures are very high and stn are doing very well too.Surely those figures are not the norm for Shamrocks?
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