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[Jamie2k9]

If they were tweaking the schedule they would have the 7 planes crossed out. (look at DUB - ALC in Nov for example).

What may happon:
They are either going to announce a morning ORK - MAN - ORK or move early STN to ORK based aircraft. Any thoughts?

KIR - DUB also canceled from 6 Sep and was bookable until end of Oct.

[Jack1985]

Fair point, i hope your wrong but i doubt it. Such a pity im a regular user of the route and its seriously handy for me but obiously performance comes first, as you have pointed out hopefully RE will hop on it and use the Aer Lingus Regional brand to their advantage.

[840]

Hopefully, it will add to the arguments for adding an extra EI Regional aircraft. While there does seem to be some demand for extra capacity on EDI, MAN and BRS, those alone couldn't justify it (even throwing a relaunch of CWL or flights to NQY into the mix). Add Dublin and the argument is more solid.

Of course, if Ryanair do add MAN, we may just find them swapping routes with EI Regional.

[Charlie Roy]

The winter schedule for Ryanair's sole aircraft at Cork is shaping up as follows:

Mon: ORK - XXX - ORK - LGW - ORK - LPL - ORK - STN - ORK
Tue: ORK - XXX - ORK - LGW - ORK - ACE - ORK
Wed: ORK - XXX - ORK - LGW - ORK - LPL - ORK - AGP - ORK
Thu: ORK - XXX - ORK - LGW - ORK - LPL - ORK - STN - ORK
Fri: ORK - XXX - ORK - LGW - ORK - LPL - ORK - STN - ORK
Sat: ORK - AGP - ORK - LGW - ORK - XXX - ORK
Sun: ORK - FUE - ORK - LGW - ORK - XXX - ORK

There is room in the schedule for an additional route on mornings Monday through Friday and on Saturday and Sunday evenings.
So yes, this could very possibly become Dublin and/or Manchester and/or another UK destination (for example Stansted as mentioned here).

If Ryanair do launch Cork - Manchester, I can't see Aer Lingus (Regional) giving it up in a hurry having fought long and hard to gain a monopoly on this route. Aer Arann / EI Regional will of course be more than welcome to start a Dublin to Cork route, if they manage to magic up aircraft and are flexible enough to shuffle around schedules at short notice.


On Sundays a Liverpool based aircraft operates LPL - ORK
On Sundays a Tenerife based aircraft operates TFS - ORK
The other 11 Stansted rotations are operated by a Stansted based aircraft

Note - The Dublin to Liverpool schedule hasn't seen any updating (yet).

[EI-BUD]

Does anybody close to RE/AL Regional have any detail as to the proportion of passengers on ORK MAN that are travelling on business?

A 738 on a daily rotation wont work for day trippers or business travellers who want flexibility, but the question is, is there enough business travellers on the route to keep AL Regional going coupled with it developing a reputation on the route to date?

EI-BUD

[Johnny Tightlips]

It's official ORK-DUB is no more from the end of October Cork domestic flights end as Ryanair axes Dublin route | Irish Examiner

[Noxegon]

Maybe it can be replaced with a double daily EI Regional service -- this would be much more useful IMHO.

[840]

Regarding EI Regional's aircraft availability, how many Aer Arann aircraft have been freed up by the ending of PSO routes? And what is the situation with the one damaged in Shannon? Will it be returning to service?

Just thinking in terms of the overall numbers lost on the Dublin route, what percentage of the drop in passenger numbers is caused by the reductions there? I assume it's actually quite a high percentage (around the 40% mark).

[aer lingus]

Maybe nows an opportunity fo RE/EI to offer a bit of conectivity out of Cork witha flight to connect with the Transatlantic service out of Dublin.

[Jack1985]

Completely devestated i am haha was such a handy route i just hope EI Regional will take on the route and use connections to BOS, JFK, MCO, ORD to their advantage.

[CCR]

Ryanair pulling off the Dublin route must be a godsend for Aer Arann, they had 9 flights a day to Dublin in addition to Ryanair's 3 flights a day at the height of the Celtic Tiger. Even with the new motorway and hourly train service to Dublin, going from 12 services a day between Cork and Dublin to zero won't last long. It's a great opportunity for Aer Lingus Regional/Aer Arann to come back on the route!

[aer lingus]

EI/RE have a better chance of making a profit on this route operating ATR's than FR with a 738. If they do it properly and offer proper conectivity unlike the last time they might just make it work. Unless FR come back on line just to screw it up like they have now. It was down to 2 flights a day before the M8 opened so saying that is the cause is typical FR rubbish.

[peba]

It has to a cork-man route that will fill the gap,it also coincides with the opening of the Man base(end of October).I'm still not sure how it will work because EI/RE have a much better schedule for the day travelers and now with the dub flights gone,it makes it impossible to do a "W" rotation. It will be interesting to see if the business people will book the flight knowing they have to overnight.
Personally i think EI/RE will do well on the cork -dub route as it has the added connectivity for long haul too.However their time keeping may put people off.How many times have they run late by over an hour or even bused people to Dublin???

[brian_dromey]

What time does the first ORK-LGW go out in the morning for the winter? There has been a lot of speculation that it will be a MAN flight, but is the time gap appropriate for that route?

I think it is far from certain that ORK-DUB will be relaunched by RE or EIR. I think there is a good chance, but nothing has been said by RE just yet. I hope it will be relaunched and have a convenient schedule, it might allow for the basing of a third RE ATR at ORK, which would be great.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Who would I go to about an airline operating from Cork that is not passing the reduction of the travel tax onto passengers. Have contacted the airline about the issue and have had no response. Would next step be to go to the Department of Transport and let them investigate it.

[aer lingus]

Try the Regulator.

[mojave]

Every airline has to seek to maximise the revenue it generates for each flight.

To do this is offers the seats at a set of prices to extract the greatest total amount of money that it thinks the travelling public will pay for the seats.

Nothing in all the layman waffle about taxes, charges, etc. changes any of this.

Your point about "passing on the tax reduction" suggests that you think the airline should sell the seats for less than it thinks it could sell them for. That is not aligned with how the airline industry works. In fact it would be insane to sell the seats for less than they can go for. The airline has to cover its costs and has to seek to maximise its profit.

[j636]

So its ok for an airline to charge €7 and say its going to the Government when its not. If they added the €7 to the fare thats fine but they can't say that €10 is going to Government when its not. Think I know the airline.

Im sure it also illegal to charge and say its going to Gov.

[Jamie2k9]

Why is the airline such a secret. Wizz Air are over charging passengers. They contuine to charge €10 which they claim is "Goverement Tax".

mojave - Ryanair have refunded and reduced the taxes they charge per passenger by €7 and if they could still charge it they would.

Wizz have no problem under charging APD for passengers from the UK.

It needs to be reported to Department of Transport and the Regulator. One airline can't be allowed to over charge passengers when every other airline are passing on the savings.

[ryan2000]

Government Travel Tax has to
be passed on to Revenue but the airlines are under no obligation to lower fares if the Government reduce or abolish the tax.

I agree with Minister's decision not to abolish it untill airlines increase routes that generate inward business.