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B767 Technical
Can anyone help with the following query please.
All thing being equal, the MTOW run required for a B762 is 5,600 ft (1,710 m). Cork has 7,000 ft (2,133 m) at it's disposal. Does this make for a safe service? I remember as a kid on UK flights aircraft that seemed to start their roll with Engines fully powered (i.e. breaks applied/released) - does this procedure still occur and is it intended to compensate for lack of runway length?
All thing being equal, the MTOW run required for a B762 is 5,600 ft (1,710 m). Cork has 7,000 ft (2,133 m) at it's disposal. Does this make for a safe service? I remember as a kid on UK flights aircraft that seemed to start their roll with Engines fully powered (i.e. breaks applied/released) - does this procedure still occur and is it intended to compensate for lack of runway length?
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767 and ORK
Cork has had regular 767 flights over the years particularly on match charters and on Pilgrimage flights to Lourdes and Rome.
In 2002 a 767 operated a Golf charter direct to and from the Dominican Republic with only very slight baggage restrictions.
Interesting statement on todays Irish Examiner from the President of the ITAA on Cork Airport.
In 2002 a 767 operated a Golf charter direct to and from the Dominican Republic with only very slight baggage restrictions.
Interesting statement on todays Irish Examiner from the President of the ITAA on Cork Airport.
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ITAA Examiner Article
Copy of article from Examiner below:
This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Friday, February 05, 2010
Travel agent ‘shocked’ at fall in traffic at regional airport
By Sean O’Riordan
Friday, February 05, 2010
THE incoming head of the Irish Travel Agents’ Association says he’s concerned that Cork Airport management aren’t doing enough to attract new business.
Passenger numbers at Cork declined by 15% last year to 2.77 million, compared to a record high of 3.25 million in 2008.
Pat Dawson, who owns Dawson Travel, said yesterday he was shocked at how traffic "was way down" at the airport compared to previous years. "I was the only person at the 40 checkout desks at the airport last Tuesday week when I was preparing to board an Aer Lingus flight to Paris. It was frightening."
He said that was at 10.10am and there wasn’t an aeroplane anywhere to be seen. Mr Dawson said the airport board had to get out more into the marketplace and try to attract more airlines to Cork.
His comments came 24 hours after management welcomed announcements by Aer Lingus and Ryanair for increased services this summer to Britain and a number of sun destinations.
However, Mr Dawson – who has been in the travel business for 35 years – said the authorities must fight for every bit of business they can. He said up to five years ago, management regularly engaged with local travel agents on issues of mutual interest.
"The fact is, I don’t know anybody on the current board and I’m a big player down here. We rarely hear from anybody at the airport. Very few people know who is on the board."
The airport’s figures show London traffic decreased by 5% to 879,000 passengers last year, while British provincial traffic was hit hardest, down by a third to 438,000 passengers. Domestic air traffic to and from Dublin fell by 24% to 336,000 passengers.
Airport marketing manager Kevin Cullinane said there was no denying that the global economic recession hit the aviation market hard last year.
"Nevertheless, since the end of last year, Cork Airport management has been pleased to announce to our travel industry colleagues at various briefings, 16 new route developments with Aer Arann, Aer Lingus, Bmibaby, Ryanair and Wizz Air for 2010."
Mr Cullinane said in addition to seat capacity increases, new routes have been secured and connectivity restored to key destinations in Britain, in particular.
"My aviation marketing colleagues and I are in ongoing negotiations with existing and potential airlines with a view to matching consumer demand with supply. However, expectations have to be tempered with today’s economic realities when times are radically different to the golden era of the Celtic Tiger," he said.
This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Friday, February 05, 2010
Travel agent ‘shocked’ at fall in traffic at regional airport
By Sean O’Riordan
Friday, February 05, 2010
THE incoming head of the Irish Travel Agents’ Association says he’s concerned that Cork Airport management aren’t doing enough to attract new business.
Passenger numbers at Cork declined by 15% last year to 2.77 million, compared to a record high of 3.25 million in 2008.
Pat Dawson, who owns Dawson Travel, said yesterday he was shocked at how traffic "was way down" at the airport compared to previous years. "I was the only person at the 40 checkout desks at the airport last Tuesday week when I was preparing to board an Aer Lingus flight to Paris. It was frightening."
He said that was at 10.10am and there wasn’t an aeroplane anywhere to be seen. Mr Dawson said the airport board had to get out more into the marketplace and try to attract more airlines to Cork.
His comments came 24 hours after management welcomed announcements by Aer Lingus and Ryanair for increased services this summer to Britain and a number of sun destinations.
However, Mr Dawson – who has been in the travel business for 35 years – said the authorities must fight for every bit of business they can. He said up to five years ago, management regularly engaged with local travel agents on issues of mutual interest.
"The fact is, I don’t know anybody on the current board and I’m a big player down here. We rarely hear from anybody at the airport. Very few people know who is on the board."
The airport’s figures show London traffic decreased by 5% to 879,000 passengers last year, while British provincial traffic was hit hardest, down by a third to 438,000 passengers. Domestic air traffic to and from Dublin fell by 24% to 336,000 passengers.
Airport marketing manager Kevin Cullinane said there was no denying that the global economic recession hit the aviation market hard last year.
"Nevertheless, since the end of last year, Cork Airport management has been pleased to announce to our travel industry colleagues at various briefings, 16 new route developments with Aer Arann, Aer Lingus, Bmibaby, Ryanair and Wizz Air for 2010."
Mr Cullinane said in addition to seat capacity increases, new routes have been secured and connectivity restored to key destinations in Britain, in particular.
"My aviation marketing colleagues and I are in ongoing negotiations with existing and potential airlines with a view to matching consumer demand with supply. However, expectations have to be tempered with today’s economic realities when times are radically different to the golden era of the Celtic Tiger," he said.
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Well, Mr Cullinane, if you are reading this, take note that the Mrs and I flew out on the EI850 to Geneva last Thursday morning aboard a very well patronised flight and I am sure that you can check the load yourself if needs be and my feeling is there is an easy market there for Cork Airport to capitalise upon during the summer schedule with about two or so flights a week and if EI are unable to provide the goods there should be scope available from either Swiss or Fly Baboo with ERJs or even Dash 8s. It is a short flight from Cork and will work and should also return some good yields.
No excuses, CAA marketing, this should be an easy one and no commission needed either for me!!
No excuses, CAA marketing, this should be an easy one and no commission needed either for me!!
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My sister in law is travelling to Geneva this week for business and is going via London because neither her nor her company knew of Aer Lingus' Cork to Geneva route!
Thanks to me they now know for the next trip in March, and they're disappointed to hear it's only a winter route...
Thanks to me they now know for the next trip in March, and they're disappointed to hear it's only a winter route...
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As i posted previously in this thread,i took a trip to crete in 2008,while on a tour there, a woman from kildare said she did not see us on the bus from the airport to the hotel. I told her that we flew from ORK not DUB. Her reply was " Cork has an airport".Obviously i put her straight!!. Crazy and it is only management past and present who are to blame.
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Well, She Whom Must Be Obeyed and I are just home today off the EI851 from Geneva. Today's flight was also well patronised and not only that but a lot of snacks and duty free was sold so I am prepared to eat my new hat if no profit was made from our recent two flights and as Charlie Roy relates so well all of this has been achieved with minimal advertising so what could you do if you put a bit of elbow grease into the effort? What is forgotten or less known is that large areas of France in the Haute Savoie region which includes the ski resort areas of Chamonix, Annecy and Megeve choose Geneva as their international gateway as the choice of destinations is more and more price competitive than, say, Lyon. A lot of folk, and it must be in the millions, live within two hours of Geneva and given the resources that the likes of the CAA must have at their disposal I think even I could drum up a hundred to a hundred fifty pax twice a week or so to come to visit the Cork & Kerry areas. Shannon and Knock have made a job of Zurich seasonally after being handed it on a plate by Cork in snn's case so it could be argued a go could be made of both Swiss cities to Cork. There is a heck of a lot of cash lying there waiting to be spent as the the Porsches and sporty Mercedes/BMW so prove.
Wait for it now, Ryanair, will next annoucnce a Geneva base and fly to Kerry and Knock! The EZY presence at Geneva is some sight.
Even so, that would be no excuse in Cork's case - Geneva can work winter and summer from Cork.
Wait for it now, Ryanair, will next annoucnce a Geneva base and fly to Kerry and Knock! The EZY presence at Geneva is some sight.
Even so, that would be no excuse in Cork's case - Geneva can work winter and summer from Cork.
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ORK-USA Fares?
Just booked flights to Washington for next week. Cheapest fare out of Cork with AL was over 1,000 Euro. From Dublin (via LHR) it was 390 Euro. What is a man supposed to do? Where do you start trying to justify those price discrepancies? (and you wouldn't mind if the AL transatlantic service was anything to write home about).
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fruity, with that saving LHR is your answer......I'd make a complaint to the hoors as that price discrep is unreal......likewise I tried to change a flight recently with the gang to another destination....apart from the 35 euro each fee to change they rode me senseless changing destinations to the point we opted to remain with the flights.....
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Ork - Usa
A bit of an aside, but I've seen a number of half page adverts in the Evening Echo recently.
Fly with Aer Lingus to the following USA destinations with the following fares.
Similarly, a significant campaign on 96FM.
Problem is, they inform the public and no point that what they're advertising is "fly to the USA from Cork (via Dublin with RE)".
People think they're advertising to fly to the USA from Shannon or Dublin.
They really need to inform people that it is possible to book USA flights from Cork thanks to the Aer Arann code share.
What a big waste of money on these ambiguous advertising campaigns
Fly with Aer Lingus to the following USA destinations with the following fares.
Similarly, a significant campaign on 96FM.
Problem is, they inform the public and no point that what they're advertising is "fly to the USA from Cork (via Dublin with RE)".
People think they're advertising to fly to the USA from Shannon or Dublin.
They really need to inform people that it is possible to book USA flights from Cork thanks to the Aer Arann code share.
What a big waste of money on these ambiguous advertising campaigns
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A fair point, but the AL website will still only permits you to book into one of three US destinations (out of Cork). Where the hell do all the other connections disappear to? It's beyond farcical. With the history of Transatlantic air travel from this country coupled with the preclearance facilities at our disposal, there is simply no reason why anyone should have to fly East to then fly further West to get to the US. Of course once you put AL and DAA into the mix then logic goes quickly out the window.
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fruitinfibre - as i'm not sure of your dates as you did not specify when next week you were travelling - I have found fares, quietly easily may I add that are €500, half of what you stated - not sure where you are looking. US-508, EI & VS-541, BA 605...
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Apologies, I have should have stated that I could get there out of Cork for much less than 1k but not with AL thru SNN or DUB. My point really is that these fares should be competitive all of the time, when in fact they are typically the most expensive options and also, to get a fare through London means always having to rely on an EI flight anyway.
ps: I try and avoid VS too.
pps: US route you through London and Phili, thats three flights without preclearance - no thanks.
ps: I try and avoid VS too.
pps: US route you through London and Phili, thats three flights without preclearance - no thanks.
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ORK-EMA
Looks as if you are spot on last flight bookable Sunday 7/3/2010.
How long did that last?
Pete
Looks as if you are spot on last flight bookable Sunday 7/3/2010.
How long did that last?
Pete
What could they expect, they launched the route in the middle of one of the worst winter's economically in years, with zero advertising (at the Cork end anyway) and then expected it to be an instant success, and didn't allow time for the route to find its feet. The route was doomed from the start with that attitude.
Aer Lingus will be happy anyway, zero competition again for their Cork-BHX service. No competing services from Shannon either so they can basically charge what they like.