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Airports of a certain size are what legal buffs call "essential facilities". So whoever meets the criteria for access (= pays the published fees) must be granted access if spare capacity is available. Traffic rights is a wholly different issue as it is between two governments to negotiate them and then assign them to a carrier.
The mind boggles
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The big worry is that Easy would see the Island as a waste of time in the winter and come and go to suit themselves. They wouldn't nightstop a hull here, so when the eather turns bad, with early morning fog, the Island would be isolated with no first wave departures.
BE may fight Easy on one route, but if U2 really wanted to take the place from BE, they could simply because of their size and financial clout.
Once done, you'd be at the mercy of a carrier who really could care less about the Island- all it wants is flow through LPL to secure the best terms there for it's base.
BE makes money in Summer, like everyone else and swallows the light loads and losses in Winter. If Easy takes the summer off them, no-one wold step in and operate winter schedules without summer benefits, it makes no sense.
Thus the Island would be a ghost town and no-one but Manx2 would be left.
Ain't Open skies great!
BE may fight Easy on one route, but if U2 really wanted to take the place from BE, they could simply because of their size and financial clout.
Once done, you'd be at the mercy of a carrier who really could care less about the Island- all it wants is flow through LPL to secure the best terms there for it's base.
BE makes money in Summer, like everyone else and swallows the light loads and losses in Winter. If Easy takes the summer off them, no-one wold step in and operate winter schedules without summer benefits, it makes no sense.
Thus the Island would be a ghost town and no-one but Manx2 would be left.
Ain't Open skies great!
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BE makes money in Summer, like everyone else and swallows the light loads and losses in Winter
Ain't Open skies great!
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I've no idea if the IOM has open skies or not, but its a general term that can be applied to air service agreements between many countries and to various countries. Jersey for example has an open skies policy
If the IOM has no regulations about where airlines can fly to, then it will have open skies
If the IOM has no regulations about where airlines can fly to, then it will have open skies
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Jerboy,
Yes, the Q400 is a great low cost airframe, but with the market on the Island, and all over the UK, it's extrememly difficult to make money during the winter months.
You get more tech issues, delays due to weather that require additional costs of vouchers, nightstops, etc, and also this winter, the huge volumes of de-icing fluid used also has to be paid for.
Add to that the light loads and poor yields as companies chase any pasengers they can get and the overall picture is that all companies build cash reserves over the summer months and eat into them over the third and mainly forth quarter of operations.
Those that haven't done well enough to save their pennies really suffer in October/November when the economics really bite- hence that time being the most popular for airlines to fail.
Thinking ANY company makes money over the lean winter months is a bit naive....it just isn't so.
Companies can mittigate losses, by cutting their cloth accordingly- some cut frequency and alter routes to better fit capacity, others put most of their crews on crap contracts so they can leave them at home unpaid or on forced leave...Some move their spare capacity to the Southern Hemisphere if they can to fololow the seasonal work.
Whatever it takes. Losing out in the summer harvest to a competitor is no option though.
Yes, the Q400 is a great low cost airframe, but with the market on the Island, and all over the UK, it's extrememly difficult to make money during the winter months.
You get more tech issues, delays due to weather that require additional costs of vouchers, nightstops, etc, and also this winter, the huge volumes of de-icing fluid used also has to be paid for.
Add to that the light loads and poor yields as companies chase any pasengers they can get and the overall picture is that all companies build cash reserves over the summer months and eat into them over the third and mainly forth quarter of operations.
Those that haven't done well enough to save their pennies really suffer in October/November when the economics really bite- hence that time being the most popular for airlines to fail.
Thinking ANY company makes money over the lean winter months is a bit naive....it just isn't so.
Companies can mittigate losses, by cutting their cloth accordingly- some cut frequency and alter routes to better fit capacity, others put most of their crews on crap contracts so they can leave them at home unpaid or on forced leave...Some move their spare capacity to the Southern Hemisphere if they can to fololow the seasonal work.
Whatever it takes. Losing out in the summer harvest to a competitor is no option though.
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brs/iom
i am assuming that our runway here @brs is much longer that iom??whats the biggesy a/c you can handle?secondly,what is the flying time from iom/lpl?cant be long?i remember the old days when jy used a dash 8 on the bfs/iom run!!
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Isle of Man 08/26 - 1754 metres. Bristol 09/27 - 2011 metres. Could be interesting to see a 319 depart IOM on a full load with that length of runway. Not much room for error.
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Isle of Man 08/26 - 1754 metres. Bristol 09/27 - 2011 metres. Could be interesting to see a 319 depart IOM on a full load with that length of runway. Not much room for error.
(i'll try and double check)
edit: i found the following of interest. indicate "Starter Extension 150m x 30m"
http://www.nats-uk.ead-it.com/aip/cu...GNS_2-1_en.pdf
http://www.nats-uk.ead-it.com/aip/cu...28/AIPNEW1.pdf
http://www.nats-uk.ead-it.com/aip/cu..._2_EGNS_en.pdf
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Just checked new length is 1837 meters. The extension is a starter extension, so there is no change to the landing distance available which is 1586 meters for 08 and 1613 meters for 26. Very short indeed for EZY.
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Manx 2 New Routes?
Press Release from Manx 2 yesterday. Any guesses at the new routes? I'll start with ... mmm .... Prestwick as a Scottish one.
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Manx2.com launches plans to expand overseas / (Apr 07)
Manx2.com is launching a major drive to expand its business outside of the Isle of Man.
Over the next two years, the Isle of Man based company will be launching a number of new routes outside of the Island, as it takes its award-winning service to England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. These new routes will be announced shortly.
Manx2.com Chairman Noel Hayes said: “Our business model has been very successful here in the Isle of Man. We now have the opportunity to take the Manx brand into new markets and earn profits that will flow back into the Island’s Treasury.
“We are the only scheduled services provider that pays tax on its profits here in the Island. All the other carriers pay tax on their profits from Isle of Man operations to Gordon Brown in the UK or to other overseas governments. We’re keen to bring profits back home to help fill the VAT hole, while at the same time strongly promoting the Manx brand.”
The expansion plans come following repeated calls from Manx2.com for the Isle of Man Government to develop a long term aviation strategy for the Island. The company made the request in the face of six airlines ceasing operations from Ronaldsway Airport in the last three years.
Mr Hayes said: “The recently announced additions to capacity in the North West market are unsustainable and are likely to lead to further instability here in the Island. As long as the Isle of Man sticks blindly to an open skies policy its air route strategy will continue to be set by FlyBe in Exeter, Aer Arran in Dublin and Stelios from his boat in the Greek Islands. I’m just a man from Kirk Michael but Manx2.com do have a long term strategy for growth and we need to ensure that our business remains profitable and successful. For the foreseeable future we’ll now be looking to take the Manx message into new markets.”
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Manx2.com launches plans to expand overseas / (Apr 07)
Manx2.com is launching a major drive to expand its business outside of the Isle of Man.
Over the next two years, the Isle of Man based company will be launching a number of new routes outside of the Island, as it takes its award-winning service to England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. These new routes will be announced shortly.
Manx2.com Chairman Noel Hayes said: “Our business model has been very successful here in the Isle of Man. We now have the opportunity to take the Manx brand into new markets and earn profits that will flow back into the Island’s Treasury.
“We are the only scheduled services provider that pays tax on its profits here in the Island. All the other carriers pay tax on their profits from Isle of Man operations to Gordon Brown in the UK or to other overseas governments. We’re keen to bring profits back home to help fill the VAT hole, while at the same time strongly promoting the Manx brand.”
The expansion plans come following repeated calls from Manx2.com for the Isle of Man Government to develop a long term aviation strategy for the Island. The company made the request in the face of six airlines ceasing operations from Ronaldsway Airport in the last three years.
Mr Hayes said: “The recently announced additions to capacity in the North West market are unsustainable and are likely to lead to further instability here in the Island. As long as the Isle of Man sticks blindly to an open skies policy its air route strategy will continue to be set by FlyBe in Exeter, Aer Arran in Dublin and Stelios from his boat in the Greek Islands. I’m just a man from Kirk Michael but Manx2.com do have a long term strategy for growth and we need to ensure that our business remains profitable and successful. For the foreseeable future we’ll now be looking to take the Manx message into new markets.”