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not according to Logies crew. They reckon its FlyBe killed it by chopping prices on the IOM MAN EDI/GLA sectors and undercutting them and its caused quite a lot of bad feeling inside.
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Minister of Infrastructure Hon David Cretney explained "The timing of the Loganair decision to cease both Scottish services to the Island, is entirely coincidental with the news received earlier this week that Flybe have sold off their arrival and departure slots at Gatwick to EasyJet.
The Department has been in discussion with Loganair over recent weeks, regarding the economies of the route and the declining passenger figures."
Loganair have been operating services from Edinburgh and Glasgow since 2004, however, over the last 3-4 years whilst their revenue has remained static, their operating costs have increased by around 20%.
The Minister continued "It will be a great shame to see Loganair pull off our Scottish routes, however, they cite a culmination of the route costs, the UK economy and the downturn in higher yielding traffic, as the main factors in coming to this decision. Even if the Department were to offer no airport charges at Ronaldsway for the summer, which is something we could not do without offering the same to all of our airline customers, both the routes would still lose money. If the Department can attract a new operator on the route, which we hope to do, then we need to attract passengers to use the flights, or else we will lose the routes permanently.
The Department has been in discussion with Loganair over recent weeks, regarding the economies of the route and the declining passenger figures."
Loganair have been operating services from Edinburgh and Glasgow since 2004, however, over the last 3-4 years whilst their revenue has remained static, their operating costs have increased by around 20%.
The Minister continued "It will be a great shame to see Loganair pull off our Scottish routes, however, they cite a culmination of the route costs, the UK economy and the downturn in higher yielding traffic, as the main factors in coming to this decision. Even if the Department were to offer no airport charges at Ronaldsway for the summer, which is something we could not do without offering the same to all of our airline customers, both the routes would still lose money. If the Department can attract a new operator on the route, which we hope to do, then we need to attract passengers to use the flights, or else we will lose the routes permanently.
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interesting news about INV, perhaps they'll do the same for IOM ?
BBC News - Easyjet guarantees Inverness routes
BBC News - Easyjet guarantees Inverness routes
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I'd have thought that in S14, when flyBE and BACF will both be gone from IOM-LON, there would be enough traffic (including business trafffic looking for day returns) to justify a twice-daily easyJet LGW service. No?
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Brain-fart - S14. Now is S13.
From a fairly reliable source. It may not be 100% to happen just now, but it is being discussed by some.
I would be very surprised if Easy were to use their newly aquired 'peak time' slots for IOM - that is the times the business community need.
From a fairly reliable source. It may not be 100% to happen just now, but it is being discussed by some.
I would be very surprised if Easy were to use their newly aquired 'peak time' slots for IOM - that is the times the business community need.
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A fairly reliable source, discussed by some and not 100% likely to happen yet?
That's Ok - this is a rumour network after all!
That's Ok - this is a rumour network after all!
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And IOM LON operator wheel keeps turning...
Manx -> BRA -> FlyBe -> Aer Arann -> BA -> BMIR
As many expected, EasyJet comes in, and upsets the yield of everyone else. The power of competition shows its benefits and issues. The E135 cannot compete against an A319. Perhaps the AT76 can?
In one swift movement, could IOM LON be down to a daily frequency?
Manx -> BRA -> FlyBe -> Aer Arann -> BA -> BMIR
As many expected, EasyJet comes in, and upsets the yield of everyone else. The power of competition shows its benefits and issues. The E135 cannot compete against an A319. Perhaps the AT76 can?
In one swift movement, could IOM LON be down to a daily frequency?
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E135/145 would be a nightmare on IOM routes...one whiff of Ice on the decent and around they turn and scuttle off home. Flybe used the BAConect E145 for a short while on IOM-MAN route while they converted local crews to the Q400. Not a good idea....
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Absolute rubbish! The 145 is extremely capable in icing. I operate the thing in and out of Canadian and North American cities day in day out during the winter and have never encountered a single problem. I used to operate into the IOM all the time in a turboprop and the icing was never significantly awful. The 145 would handle IOM a lot better than the D328s used to in the EuroManx days.
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Sorry guys but D & T is right, if memory serves the performance penalties for landing after an ice encounter on a wet runway as well brought the max landing weight way down on the 145 into the IOM, to the point where as D & T says you just had to turn around and go home. What difference the runway extension would now make I don't know.
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Having operated the 145 into the IOM for both BACON and Flybe, I can assure you that the increased vref speeds would not be an issue with the increased LDA here now. Performance was only marginally compromised at higher weights back then, and it took a combination of a wet runway, no hwc and high landing weights plus an ice detect to cause problems
It is a flaw in the 145, that if you'd had an ice detect anywhere along the route, you are committed to landing with enhanced vref speeds, even if it is 30 degrees and cavok.
It is a flaw in the 145, that if you'd had an ice detect anywhere along the route, you are committed to landing with enhanced vref speeds, even if it is 30 degrees and cavok.
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It does rather look as though the Open Skies policy has now completely stuffed the island's air links. The only services to London which appear to have any certainty around them for next summer are a single daily easyJet LGW operation and a single daily Flybe LTN service. Of course, more flights may be added before we get to that point, but loss of both frequent links in the form of the Flybe LGW and CityFlyer LCY services must be a huge concern.
If Guernsey needed any vindication of their licensing policy, I'd say that the Isle of Man has just provided it in shovelfuls.
If Guernsey needed any vindication of their licensing policy, I'd say that the Isle of Man has just provided it in shovelfuls.
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The problem is that a licensing regime can prevent carriers from serving an airport, but it cannot prevent carriers from leaving an airport, especially when the route does not pay for itself or the carrier experiences financial difficulty otherwise. Only an airport's long-term contract with a carrier can lend a bit of protection to route consistency. However, the IOM government has not given much effort to these things in the past and is not likely to in the future either unless forced into a corner.