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Austro 7, that is life on Alcatraz with wonderful low tax!!
I spent 4 years living there and got fed up being ripped off by the steam racket and the airlines!.
What you get given in one hand you have it taken away from the other I'm affraid.
The economics of operating to and from the rock don't add up for most of the UK's airlines, which is mirrored by the service given.
I spent 4 years living there and got fed up being ripped off by the steam racket and the airlines!.
What you get given in one hand you have it taken away from the other I'm affraid.
The economics of operating to and from the rock don't add up for most of the UK's airlines, which is mirrored by the service given.
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Isle of mann airlines Manx2/EuroManx
I have asked this question and seen it asked in a few places however never got a proper answer. As I understand it both airlines are operating without an AOC does anybody know how this works? They also dont have an ATOL so as far as I know they can't charter planes.
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Not au fait with Euromanx, but Manx2 are not an airline; they are effectively a seat agent. They sell seats and charter an aircraft from other operators to carry the passengers. Since these aircraft are operated according to another company's manuals by that company's crew, Manx2 don't need an AOC - they rely on the AOC of the operating company. No AOC means that you don't get an operating licence.
There is nothing to stop you chartering an aircraft without an ATOL. The little loophole is that you have to ticket within 24 hours of taking the cash. However, you'll notice in Manx2's terms and conditions the line:
"Financial Protection
Please note that these Bookings are not protected and you should ensure that you have adequate holiday insurance cover."
You can do wonders when you are in the Isle of Man....
There is nothing to stop you chartering an aircraft without an ATOL. The little loophole is that you have to ticket within 24 hours of taking the cash. However, you'll notice in Manx2's terms and conditions the line:
"Financial Protection
Please note that these Bookings are not protected and you should ensure that you have adequate holiday insurance cover."
You can do wonders when you are in the Isle of Man....
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The Isle of Man is not part of the EC. When this little fact sank in at the CAA many years ago they promptly withdrew the AOC's of all Manx based operators. Manx Airlines then had to operate off BMA's AOC, IAAT used Northern Executives AOC and Woodgate (IoM) went back to using Woodgate's AOC at Belfast.
Since then no IoM based airline can get a UK AoC hence the eclectic gathering of foreign aircraft now using the airfield.
Since then no IoM based airline can get a UK AoC hence the eclectic gathering of foreign aircraft now using the airfield.
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It did indeed....JulietNovemberPapa
Arrived from Kiel 1/2hr late....went to GLO and back IOM now on it's way to EMA
Arrived from Kiel 1/2hr late....went to GLO and back IOM now on it's way to EMA
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Thanks, Snappy.
Will it ordinarily operate to/from EMA? I ask because I was hoping fly that route in Sept to get on the SWM. Which route would you recommend to fly the SWM?
Hmm...
Will it ordinarily operate to/from EMA? I ask because I was hoping fly that route in Sept to get on the SWM. Which route would you recommend to fly the SWM?
Hmm...
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Not au fait with Euromanx, but Manx2 are not an airline; they are effectively a seat agent. They sell seats and charter an aircraft from other operators to carry the passengers. Since these aircraft are operated according to another company's manuals by that company's crew, Manx2 don't need an AOC - they rely on the AOC of the operating company. No AOC means that you don't get an operating licence.
There is nothing to stop you chartering an aircraft without an ATOL. The little loophole is that you have to ticket within 24 hours of taking the cash. However, you'll notice in Manx2's terms and conditions the line:
"Financial Protection
Please note that these Bookings are not protected and you should ensure that you have adequate holiday insurance cover."
You can do wonders when you are in the Isle of Man....
There is nothing to stop you chartering an aircraft without an ATOL. The little loophole is that you have to ticket within 24 hours of taking the cash. However, you'll notice in Manx2's terms and conditions the line:
"Financial Protection
Please note that these Bookings are not protected and you should ensure that you have adequate holiday insurance cover."
You can do wonders when you are in the Isle of Man....
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JulietNovemberPapa........the best route for you to be almost quaranteed a flt on metro would be IOM/LBA.. the BHD and BFS/ IOM and BLK are operated by a mixture of Let and Metro.. the IOM/EMA service could be a Metro or Dornier228.
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Nothing to do with the number of seats - all to do with the Licensing of Airlines Act 1992. A fun read... made my living because of it for a while!
There is a fundamental difference between an AOC and an operating licence. The latter requires the former, the inverse is not true. But it is the latter you need if you are to charge people to take a trip IF YOU ARE AN AIRLINE.
There are two types of OL, one is required if you fly aircraft with 19 seats or more, the other is required if you fly aircraft with less than 19 seats.
Set up "an airline" - call it Air PPRUNE. Sell seats on someone else's aircraft, which you have painted. Use their AOC, and their OL. So long as you ticket (so that the financial protection rests with the operating carrier) within 24 hours of you getting the dosh, then use an A380 if you want to. Air PPRUNE will not have an AOC, nor an OL.
Nothing to do with the number of seats - all to do with the Licensing of Airlines Act 1992. A fun read... made my living because of it for a while!
There is a fundamental difference between an AOC and an operating licence. The latter requires the former, the inverse is not true. But it is the latter you need if you are to charge people to take a trip IF YOU ARE AN AIRLINE.
There are two types of OL, one is required if you fly aircraft with 19 seats or more, the other is required if you fly aircraft with less than 19 seats.
Set up "an airline" - call it Air PPRUNE. Sell seats on someone else's aircraft, which you have painted. Use their AOC, and their OL. So long as you ticket (so that the financial protection rests with the operating carrier) within 24 hours of you getting the dosh, then use an A380 if you want to. Air PPRUNE will not have an AOC, nor an OL.
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the best route for you to be almost quaranteed a flt on metro would be IOM/LBA.. the BHD and BFS/ IOM and BLK are operated by a mixture of Let and Metro.. the IOM/EMA service could be a Metro or Dornier228.
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I know the airport wanted a 2nd rotation to BHX from Flybe, and there is nothing wrong with the passengers figures to say that they will drop that one. Flybe are also first in from BHX and last out to BHX during the normal working week, which may help to draw in a few more pax
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Snappy - I don't suppose you know which specific flights on IOM-BHD-IOM and IOM-BFS-IOM are ordinarily operated by the L4T and SWM? Moreover, which specific days on IOM-EMA-IOM will ordinarily be operated by the SWM? I do, of course, I realise there's little certainty, and that substitutions can materalise, but I feel it's worth asking to see what you know to help my planning.
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It would seem from the latest info that all BLK flights during the week operate with Lets and then Metro's make an appearance on weekends. Of course this could all change now that FLM have introduced the D228 as well.
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flybe BHX-IOM
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Not heard that it is going back to daily but what has changed is the
post 8th June schedule is back to a 145.
BHX was due to get its 5th Q400 for IOM, HAM and night-stopping DUS
and it made it briefly into amadeus. However they are all showing as
145's.
Two Q400's a day seemed ambitious but you never know and maybe they
expected Eastern to capitulate like they did on BHX-INV.
Pete
Not heard that it is going back to daily but what has changed is the
post 8th June schedule is back to a 145.
BHX was due to get its 5th Q400 for IOM, HAM and night-stopping DUS
and it made it briefly into amadeus. However they are all showing as
145's.
Two Q400's a day seemed ambitious but you never know and maybe they
expected Eastern to capitulate like they did on BHX-INV.
Pete
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