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Interesting to see that with FlyBe closing their base, local travel agent Freedom Travel has now done a deal with BACF to operate the weekly summer flights to Menorca and Majorca on E170s.
Tour operator strikes deal with British Airways - Isle of Man News | Manx.net
Tour operator strikes deal with British Airways - Isle of Man News | Manx.net
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I thought Flybe had canned all of its charter flying for the time being anyway, to focus on the core business.
I would be less surprised to hear that freedom travel have had little choice in finding a different airline.
I can't imagine Majorca on a q400 was very pleasing anyway.
On a very pedantic note (to manx.net) Cityflyer have 170 & 190s, not 175s
I would be less surprised to hear that freedom travel have had little choice in finding a different airline.
I can't imagine Majorca on a q400 was very pleasing anyway.
On a very pedantic note (to manx.net) Cityflyer have 170 & 190s, not 175s
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LCY: The mid-day/early afternoon rotation would not survive. I remember when we had the service from LHR and, travelling just to see my mother, if I could take the mid-day I would, because it was empty and the queues very short. I'm talking 1990s after the 146 started.
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Just to say TravelWatch IOM have produced a guide to Summer Air Services and connections via MAN / LCY and DUB too. The Etihad and Emirates code shares produce some interesting opportunities via MAN.
http://www.travelwatch-isleofman.org...hts_190214.pdf
http://www.travelwatch-isleofman.org...hts_190214.pdf
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Thought this thread had disappeared.
I hope JW still keeps us updated on his Island-Images website, post retirement. Always enjoyed seeing what unusual aircraft visited the island, particularly some of the new business jets that appear on the IOM registry.
Is there an index like London Heathrow & Gatwick Airports of aircraft movements at Ronaldsway?
I hope JW still keeps us updated on his Island-Images website, post retirement. Always enjoyed seeing what unusual aircraft visited the island, particularly some of the new business jets that appear on the IOM registry.
Is there an index like London Heathrow & Gatwick Airports of aircraft movements at Ronaldsway?
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All the information you could possibly need is here, as it always has been:-
Isle of Man Government - Passenger Figures
But to answer your question in one word, 'Yes', and significantly so.
The BIG problem is London. easyJet are destroying the LGW market, largely abandoning IOM at weekends, whilst securing themselves 95% LF's.
BA to LCY is way too expensive for anyone who actually has to use their own money, and although the LF's are 80+%, their local spokesperson was on the radio last week whining about lack of support, so we can all see the way the wind is blowing there.
The only bright spot is MAN which is way up, suggesting that BE have mopped up a lot of the connecting traffic that previously went via LGW and from reduced capacity on LPL.
But ofcourse, 'open skies' has been a great success.
It is time for a rethink. I'm sure the 'big girl' will be on the case, even as we type. God help us!!
Isle of Man Government - Passenger Figures
But to answer your question in one word, 'Yes', and significantly so.
The BIG problem is London. easyJet are destroying the LGW market, largely abandoning IOM at weekends, whilst securing themselves 95% LF's.
BA to LCY is way too expensive for anyone who actually has to use their own money, and although the LF's are 80+%, their local spokesperson was on the radio last week whining about lack of support, so we can all see the way the wind is blowing there.
The only bright spot is MAN which is way up, suggesting that BE have mopped up a lot of the connecting traffic that previously went via LGW and from reduced capacity on LPL.
But ofcourse, 'open skies' has been a great success.
It is time for a rethink. I'm sure the 'big girl' will be on the case, even as we type. God help us!!
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Easyjet are scoring high across their network in terms of load factors. This combined with their yield management formula is their criteria for successful markets. I fear if this was not achievable we would see them deploy the aircraft elsewhere, to achieve a more attractive return for their business.
While it is easy to blame easyJet for cannibalising the market, let's suggest that they hadn't come to IOM. Most likely Flybe would still be on some London route as it would be attractive to do so. I don't believe the numbers would be any better than they are today, the fares wouldn't be any lower. Albeit, more jobs local job would be true.
The wider issue here is what will IOM government do to drive tourism, business travel alone will not sustain air travel, growth in leisure travellers is not happening. Relying on easyJet to drive tourism is not enough.
The question is about sustainability. If easyjet or any other airline for they matter can not fill a reasonable amount of the seats and Collect a respectable fare they won't stick around ... Costs are too high eg fuel and other more attractive markets exist , sun destinations etc.
While it is easy to blame easyJet for cannibalising the market, let's suggest that they hadn't come to IOM. Most likely Flybe would still be on some London route as it would be attractive to do so. I don't believe the numbers would be any better than they are today, the fares wouldn't be any lower. Albeit, more jobs local job would be true.
The wider issue here is what will IOM government do to drive tourism, business travel alone will not sustain air travel, growth in leisure travellers is not happening. Relying on easyJet to drive tourism is not enough.
The question is about sustainability. If easyjet or any other airline for they matter can not fill a reasonable amount of the seats and Collect a respectable fare they won't stick around ... Costs are too high eg fuel and other more attractive markets exist , sun destinations etc.
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I'm sure that's right, EI-BUD. If it wasn't EZY it might be FR. In the same way that many supplies rail against Amazon - if it wasn't Amazon, then it would be someone else.
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Citywing say they had a plan for an airport within a ten mile radius if BLK closed.
Can't think where -
Warton Aerodrome
Samlesbury Aerodrome is a disused airfield at Balderstone near Samlesbury, in the Ribble Valley district of Lancashire. The aerodrome is owned by defence ...
I can only think of Liverpool.
We need a link between IOM and N England.
Can't think where -
Warton Aerodrome
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- Warton Aerodrome is located near to Warton village on the Fylde in Lancashire, England. The aerodrome is 6 NM west of Preston, Lancashire, UK. Today the airfield is a major assembly and testing facility of BAE Systems Military Air & Information. Wikipedia
Samlesbury Aerodrome is a disused airfield at Balderstone near Samlesbury, in the Ribble Valley district of Lancashire. The aerodrome is owned by defence ...
I can only think of Liverpool.
We need a link between IOM and N England.
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So where could Citywing go next???? Surely they could not go toe to toe with Flybe/easyj on their existing Liverpool/Manchester routes?? Now Blackpool is no more other options appear thin on the ground. Could Carlisle be an option? Would re opening a Leeds route be viable??
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LBA has been served during the TT before now - about 35 minutes by air in a LET. Alternatively, by a long shot, Barrow/Walney Island isn't too far from Blackpool as the crow flies and with 1048m of runway can easily cope with a LET.
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and where do you go from Barrow that doesnt mean a trek for hours to get anywhere to go anywhere? Carlisle the same.
Manxy2 Citywing might have been using niche airfields but there are only so many of them to use that are of any use.
There are plenty of holes in the schedules from Reynoldsway for them to jump in but they've chickeend out of going up aircraft size which shouldn't matter to them cos they only lease it in anyway.
Manxy2 Citywing might have been using niche airfields but there are only so many of them to use that are of any use.
There are plenty of holes in the schedules from Reynoldsway for them to jump in but they've chickeend out of going up aircraft size which shouldn't matter to them cos they only lease it in anyway.
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Barrow/Walney Island isn't too far from Blackpool as the crow flies and with 1048m of runway can easily cope with a LET.
Carlisle is much the same in distance/time and does have a runway weight limit which the Let 410 is below an ATR is not.
