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Not a chance. The RESA project is all about maintaining current usable length with the inclusion of mandatory safety distances. Basically, you have to provide a hard, usable additional stopping distance over and above normal runway length.
Currently this is "best practice" but the European authorities are moving to make it mandatory, and if that happened, Ronaldsway would have to move the piano keys inwards about 300m each end.
Goodbye GVA, goodbye other charters, goodbye some of those business jets. Forget the EMB195 and get used to half your bags not travelling with you on busy days...
The works are needed effectively to stand still.
As to EZY. Repeated atepts to stimulate growth have shown that there's only so many folk willing to travel from/to the Island, no matter how cheaply. The big low cost players rely on filling aircraft. Some days Flybe can bearly get double figures on, despit efantastic starter prices at least as cheap as EZY could offer. Just how they would get 150 people to travel is beyond me.
Frankly Tynwald doesn't have a choice. The parallel taxiway extension would save a lot of waiting about for a/c on approach. I only hope they can move the 08 localizer onto the centreline.
Currently this is "best practice" but the European authorities are moving to make it mandatory, and if that happened, Ronaldsway would have to move the piano keys inwards about 300m each end.
Goodbye GVA, goodbye other charters, goodbye some of those business jets. Forget the EMB195 and get used to half your bags not travelling with you on busy days...
The works are needed effectively to stand still.
As to EZY. Repeated atepts to stimulate growth have shown that there's only so many folk willing to travel from/to the Island, no matter how cheaply. The big low cost players rely on filling aircraft. Some days Flybe can bearly get double figures on, despit efantastic starter prices at least as cheap as EZY could offer. Just how they would get 150 people to travel is beyond me.
Frankly Tynwald doesn't have a choice. The parallel taxiway extension would save a lot of waiting about for a/c on approach. I only hope they can move the 08 localizer onto the centreline.
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Did nobody hear?? The RESA is to tempt BA back with the LCY-JFK. IOM is the new stop off point!! 
On a serious note if it protects the current day to day operations then it is a good thing. I honestly cannot see Easy or Ryanair being on the rock within the next 5 years. Good news today with last month being the busiest on record for a january. Lets hope growth is maintained throughout the year. Although with two airlines in serious competition meaning such low prices then loads would always be high. Keep it coming
On a serious note if it protects the current day to day operations then it is a good thing. I honestly cannot see Easy or Ryanair being on the rock within the next 5 years. Good news today with last month being the busiest on record for a january. Lets hope growth is maintained throughout the year. Although with two airlines in serious competition meaning such low prices then loads would always be high. Keep it coming
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Does anyone know how JER, GCI and LCY, to pick three UK airports of broadly similar runway length to IOM, are addressing this issue.
Whilst I respect AFO's informed and well made comments, I can't find any reference to those airports addressing this issue with the same vigour as IOM, and JER and LCY have a lot more to lose than IOM from limitations on their capacity. Do they already meet this potential requirement?
At a cost of £2000 per household in IOM, personally, I can live without a dozen flights a year to Geneva, the odd charter to Malta, Tenerife etc. and biz jets. I'm perfectly happy to take the Q400 to LGW for the foreseeable future!
This does have the look of a very costly, egotistical project, so beloved of Ministers and Chief Executives down the years. If the CAA ultimately doesn't make this mandatory, we'll have another expensive Rolls Royce quality white elephant, like the incinerator, breakwater, IRIS, power station......... etc.
Whilst I respect AFO's informed and well made comments, I can't find any reference to those airports addressing this issue with the same vigour as IOM, and JER and LCY have a lot more to lose than IOM from limitations on their capacity. Do they already meet this potential requirement?
At a cost of £2000 per household in IOM, personally, I can live without a dozen flights a year to Geneva, the odd charter to Malta, Tenerife etc. and biz jets. I'm perfectly happy to take the Q400 to LGW for the foreseeable future!
This does have the look of a very costly, egotistical project, so beloved of Ministers and Chief Executives down the years. If the CAA ultimately doesn't make this mandatory, we'll have another expensive Rolls Royce quality white elephant, like the incinerator, breakwater, IRIS, power station......... etc.
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Whilst I respect AFO's informed and well made comments, I can't find any reference to those airports addressing this issue with the same vigour as IOM, and JER and LCY have a lot more to lose than IOM from limitations on their capacity. Do they already meet this potential requirement?
With a cliff at the end of 26 at Ronaldsway the existing 90m RESA already extends into the runway and determines the existing 123m displaced threshold (the RESA is wider than the runway so with an angled shoreline it results in more runway lost than just the RESA length). A 250m RESA would have a significant loss of runway.
As AFO states all the extension work will simply result in the published LDA remaining much the same as now. Building a longer seaward extension to gain some runway length is not factored into the current figures. The only advantage of the work will be a longer TORA on 26.
The real question is whether the approach lighting will be extended or whether it remains at it's current length and embedded in the new concrete. To move the existing threshold would require a new gantry - and it's deep water outside the second crossbar.
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I think Tony qs right. IF (and its a big IF) the effective runway toda was reduced to extend the RESA - would the average Manxman rather have no once a week GVA in the winter and only Q400s with no Emb but £5million a year to spend on reducing taxes or opening new routes.
- I know the answer. £5m a year would save £10 a ticket on every tickets off the rock
. Now that would really help increase passenger numbers and might help save them redtails
- I know the answer. £5m a year would save £10 a ticket on every tickets off the rock. Now that would really help increase passenger numbers and might help save them redtails
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Yeah Mod....please put us back where we belong!
Hot off the presses today is a delay to the Tynwald vote as the supply of huge Norwegian boulders is not available as soon as they thought. why they couldn't just put this back a few months but start the other end is beyond little old me?
Hmm.
Hot off the presses today is a delay to the Tynwald vote as the supply of huge Norwegian boulders is not available as soon as they thought. why they couldn't just put this back a few months but start the other end is beyond little old me?
Hmm.
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Seems there will be resurfacing of 26/08 during the summer and like a couple of years ago when the IRIS project came through, it'll be 21/03 only for lengthy periods.
Let's hope we have a good summer weather-wise.
BTW AFO, it's the barges which are unavailable, not the rocks - we've got enough of our own.
see here
Let's hope we have a good summer weather-wise.
BTW AFO, it's the barges which are unavailable, not the rocks - we've got enough of our own.
see here
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I am considering making a connecting flight via BHD on Manx2/Flybe and was wondering how reliable/on-time Manx2 generally is? Are the Belfast flights sometimes subject to cancellations and/or frequent delays or is it more like clockwork operation?
I am thinking about taking the 3:25 flight which would result in having a connecting time at BHD of 2h25m.
P.S.: What aircraft are they currently using on the midday BLK-flight and the afternoon BHD-flight? LETs, Jetstreams, Dorniers, Metros, Beech 1900s?
I am thinking about taking the 3:25 flight which would result in having a connecting time at BHD of 2h25m.
P.S.: What aircraft are they currently using on the midday BLK-flight and the afternoon BHD-flight? LETs, Jetstreams, Dorniers, Metros, Beech 1900s?
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NM are very rarely late, but when they are it is usually 30 mins max.
BLK usually operated by OK-RDA which is an LET410 but you may get a Metroliner.
BHD is pretty much the same.
What is your total routing?
BLK usually operated by OK-RDA which is an LET410 but you may get a Metroliner.
BHD is pretty much the same.
What is your total routing?
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flybe BHX-IOM
Now loaded in the system as double daily Q400 (weekdays) from
12/6/2008.
A tad too many seats in the market especially if these remain for
winter 2008/9?
Will we see a T3 retreat from October?
Pete
12/6/2008.
A tad too many seats in the market especially if these remain for
winter 2008/9?
Will we see a T3 retreat from October?
Pete
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amazingly good IOM passenger figures just out. Enormous growth in MAN. 
Guess this is all down to the Steam Packet problems & Birkenhed routing?
The major improvement has been with air services linking the Island with North West England. All three routes to Liverpool, Manchester and Blackpool recorded increases, with the Manchester route soaring by 27% to more than 12,600 passengers. For the first time since June 2005, the Liverpool route saw an increase in passengers over the previous year and Blackpool was also up by 6.6%.
Enormous growth in MAN. Guess this is all down to the Steam Packet problems & Birkenhed routing?The major improvement has been with air services linking the Island with North West England. All three routes to Liverpool, Manchester and Blackpool recorded increases, with the Manchester route soaring by 27% to more than 12,600 passengers. For the first time since June 2005, the Liverpool route saw an increase in passengers over the previous year and Blackpool was also up by 6.6%.
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UK Budget - Update on residency
Common sense seems to have prevailed.
1. Being in the UK at midnight counts as a day towards residence.
2. Transit through the UK will not count towards residence so long as you don't engage in activities unrelated to passage through the UK eg attend a business meeting. Transit between modes of travel is permitted eg fly-in, ferry-out. Transit might involve being in the UK at midnight but this will not count towards the day count.
Source: HMRC, Budget 2008, Budget Notes, page 239.
1. Being in the UK at midnight counts as a day towards residence.
2. Transit through the UK will not count towards residence so long as you don't engage in activities unrelated to passage through the UK eg attend a business meeting. Transit between modes of travel is permitted eg fly-in, ferry-out. Transit might involve being in the UK at midnight but this will not count towards the day count.
Source: HMRC, Budget 2008, Budget Notes, page 239.
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Bear in mind that there was a extra day in February this year, which on it's own, accounts for nearly 4% of the increase. Ms R didn't mention that factor.
Nevertheless, the remaining 8% increase is a very good result and interestingly, by turning around the long term decline in LPL pax, Euromanx are back to No.1 carrier, by total numbers. Well done to them, in a difficult situation.
Nevertheless, the remaining 8% increase is a very good result and interestingly, by turning around the long term decline in LPL pax, Euromanx are back to No.1 carrier, by total numbers. Well done to them, in a difficult situation.
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More new routes
New routes from the Isle of Man
19 March 2008
Flybe, Europe’s largest regional airline, has today announced the addition of two brand new, weekly services from the Isle of Man effective 24th May, 2008, to Newquay and Jersey, giving Islanders even more choice to enjoy affordable sea and sun getaways this coming summer, with seats on sale from today. The new routes reflect Flybe’s continued commitment to the Island, to promoting the growth of regional air travel and to encouraging further business to the area and see the Isle of Man hub go from strength to strength.
Isle of Man – Newquay
Effective 24th May - 27th September
Flights operate weekly on Saturdays
Fares from £xx.xx one way including taxes and charges
Isle of Man – Jersey
Effective 24th May - 27th September
Flights operate weekly on Saturdays
Fares from £xx.xx one way including taxes and charges
Mike Rutter, Chief Commercial Officer, Flybe comments: “These additional new summer routes from the Isle of Man will be especially popular with leisure travellers and reflect our continued commitment to the Island and to promoting the growth of regional air travel. Flybe’s Manx passengers will now further benefit from the airline’s efficient and friendly service at a price which provides outstanding value on an even wider selection of routes.
This latest announcement gives Islanders even more choice for reliable, low-cost services from their doorstep and people are advised to book now to obtain the best possible affordable fares.
19 March 2008
Flybe, Europe’s largest regional airline, has today announced the addition of two brand new, weekly services from the Isle of Man effective 24th May, 2008, to Newquay and Jersey, giving Islanders even more choice to enjoy affordable sea and sun getaways this coming summer, with seats on sale from today. The new routes reflect Flybe’s continued commitment to the Island, to promoting the growth of regional air travel and to encouraging further business to the area and see the Isle of Man hub go from strength to strength.
Isle of Man – Newquay
Effective 24th May - 27th September
Flights operate weekly on Saturdays
Fares from £xx.xx one way including taxes and charges
Isle of Man – Jersey
Effective 24th May - 27th September
Flights operate weekly on Saturdays
Fares from £xx.xx one way including taxes and charges
Mike Rutter, Chief Commercial Officer, Flybe comments: “These additional new summer routes from the Isle of Man will be especially popular with leisure travellers and reflect our continued commitment to the Island and to promoting the growth of regional air travel. Flybe’s Manx passengers will now further benefit from the airline’s efficient and friendly service at a price which provides outstanding value on an even wider selection of routes.
This latest announcement gives Islanders even more choice for reliable, low-cost services from their doorstep and people are advised to book now to obtain the best possible affordable fares.