ISLE OF MAN

[Tonyq]

Combined demand IOM to LPL and MAN is average of 3000 pax per week, each way, according to April data.

FlyBe summer schedule offers 4446 seats per week (31 flights to MAN and 26 to LPL) so there should be ample capacity, although there will ofcourse be peaks and troughs. There is no evening flight to LPL at present, which may be an issue as the A/C goes to LTN. I guess they may have to look at that aspect.

I imagine we can look forward to some upward movement on fares. Maybe lead fares will look similar, just won't be as many seats as before.

[lfc84]

There is no evening flight to LPL at present, which may be an issue as the A/C goes to LTN. I guess they may have to look at that aspect.

IOM-LPL dep 1645 arr 1720
LPL-IOM dep 1745 arr 1820
IOM-LTN dep 1825 arr 1930

5 min turnaround on the rock ??

[fsiom]

the aircraft that comes back from lpl them goes to amnchester as the be7348 and not to ltn

[Tonyq]

There are three Q400's based in IOM and three evening departues from IOM which all return later on, and they are to LGW, MAN and LTN.

The introduction of the third a/c in March enabled them to do a third evening rotation to somewhere, in addition to LGW and MAN and they chose LTN. Obviously the same a/c doesn't turn around in 5 minutes.

[fsiom]

is there a posibility of loganair operating ondon city as are the slots not flybe from the days when they opperated to there?

[Cloud1]

lfc84

You have quoted:

IOM-LPL dep 1645 arr 1720
LPL-IOM dep 1745 arr 1820
LTN-IOM dep 1825 arr 1930

However this does not show a 5 minute turn around at IOM. This shows an IOM arrival at 1820 with a departure from LUTON at 1825....where is the IOM turnaround bit??

[lfc84]

my earlier post has been corrected

[fsiom]

the aircraft coming in as the be7347 from man at 1800 goes to luton at 1825 which is 1 25 min turn around

the plane coming in from lpl at 1820 then goes to manchester at 1845 which is another 25 min turn around..

no 5 min ones anywhere in schedule!

[lfc84]

thats cleared that up

[RVF750]

Yes, the LCY slots were still Flybe's.

Much of the BHX-IOM on time problems stem from the delays and slots of the first inbound DUS service that the a/c operates. The crew and aircraft nightstop in DUS and operate DUS-BHX-IOM-BHX then go home.

THEY certainly try their best to be on time!

Of course if the BHX originated from the Island, the reliability would also improve....just like the good old days...

[j41cac]

No matter what people have to say re Eastern on the BHX, they seem to be doing okay. Pax like stability and punctuality. You'd never get that with BE, EVER!

Good bye cheap travel to and from LPL and MAN, now BE has the monopoly.

M Rutter, speak when neccessary with the truth.

[MUFC_fan]

Good bye cheap travel to and from LPL and MAN, now BE has the monopoly.

Forget MAN and LPL then, go BLK! £30 return - bargain!

[JB007]

4 of Easterns J41's are cleared into LCY - I gather steep approach sim checks are underway...watch this space!

[Cloud1]

Flybe have a few Q400's which are SA approved, they are used for the winter CMF flights so I think Mr Rutter isn't telling the whole truth. More along the lines of Flybe pulled from LCY a few years ago and don't want to go back.......Mr Rutter be honest.

[JobsaGoodun]

Cloud1 - I think you'll find that CMF doesn't actually require a steep approach aircraft.
LCY would mean significant training for crews and with limited number of Q400's which are steep approach modded (approx 15% of the fleet), it simply wouldn't justify the slim rewards for Flybe to head back there. It is simply against their business model and far better given to Eastern or Loganair. Selling the slots could be quite lucrative for Flybe (if they still own these?) LCY is very slot constrained at peak times so there may be some opportunity for revenue from these.

[Capt. Horrendous]

As EMX went into liquidation and was not bought, the LCY slots are now back in the hands of LCY itself, rather than any would have been purchaser - this according to someone who I know knows who I spoke to today !!.

Also, from this knowledgable one, LCY are not allocating new slots to a/c with less than 70 seats.

[Tonyq]

Looking at the pax figures for IOM-LCY, it is actually in long term decline, having lost approx. 25% of its numbers over the last year or so. There is no shortage of pax travelling to London overall, so this may well have been due to the fares policy of EMX and the limited potential of VLM's service.

Bearing in mind what has happened to EMX, perhaps, it isn't the great cash cow everyone has assumed. If it were, wouldn't VLM have shown their hand by now.

From FlyBe' point of view, if there is no LCY service and those pax have to go to LGW (or LTN) then that's good news for their load factors and yields.

[LGS6753]

I would expect most City travellers to fly from the Island to Luton rather than Gatwick. The trains from Luton Airport Parkway station go straight in to the City in about 30 minutes, it's smaller and less congested than Gatwick, and the flight is shorter. Having said that, FlyBe's timings could be more business-friendly if their morning service was earlier.

[uncovered]

Get off your Cloud 1

Flybe took the decision some years ago that it did not want to operate the Q400 into LCY for operational safety considerations. The previous DFO and this one have upheld this view. Keep your conspiracy theories to your fantasy world.

[lhuingysaer]

VLM multiple departures to IOM?

Morning all.
Looking at the LCY Dep and Arr info on thier website I see a number of VLM flights to the Isle of Man..

Arr.

VG661 10:20
VG663A 14:50
VG665 17:50
VG669A 20:30

Dep.

VG662A 10:50
VG666 15:20
VG670 21:00

The correspnding info at Ronaldsway does not reflect this at all. Does anyone know what is going on with the LCY route?

Kind regards, Richard