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I believe the IOM company was the one which owned the assets such as the building etc, but the flights (again I think!) were operated by an Austrian Euromanx co, so as to who escaped with the last aircraft prior to impounding I'm not sure.
Sorry I can't be of more help - perhaps an ex-Euromanx insider might know?
Sorry I can't be of more help - perhaps an ex-Euromanx insider might know?
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It was Austo max who had the AOC and employed the pilots so must have been them that flew it off. But was no doubt Austromanx crew operating at the instruction of Euromanx Directors which is the key bit.
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awful IOM passenger numbers for June. TT-5% and market -5% = 10% down.............VLM LCY thro the floor despite no 3W competition. what's goin on here, they should be cleaning up but theyre down on last year ( I know their times are c
but they are better than last year)
Eastern NCL looks dead in June. Whtll they do in the winter
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they should stop wasting £40m on a runway extension and now a new tower they don't need and sort out the horrendous IOM fuel costs and the pathetic situation where a bunch of stroppy airport employees handle all the bags airside.
Theyve got prioritys all wrong
Theyve got prioritys all wrong
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Heard on Manx Radio interview with Phil Gawne, whilst talking about the Ramsey Pier of all things, that the new tower was needed "to ensure the planes could land in bad weather" and "if you were a passenger trying to land in that said bad weather, you would be glad of the investment in the new tower". All praise the new tower! All this time I had thought it was down to the Pilots Silly me! (If you want to listen, it's here: http://www.manxradio.com/AudioVault/HeadsFRI-2.wma and his comments are 7mins 47 seconds into the recording. Coincidence?
Silly me! (If you want to listen, it's here: http://www.manxradio.com/AudioVault/HeadsFRI-2.wma and his comments are 7mins 47 seconds into the recording. Coincidence?
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Fuel costs? I think it's not the Fuel cost at Ronaldsway that's the problem. In fact it's almost as dear at Gatwick now.
The pilots can only fly down to the minimums listed on the plates. The days of the old CAT3A Shorts 360s are long gone!
Getting the 26 ILS down to CAT2 would only save us on one perhaps two days a year, at great cost. Nothing like economical to do.
Improving the 08 ILS to get rid of the offset and lower the minimums down to 200ft would be far more useful.
If it hadn't been for Flybe's business model and the low cost of the Q400, I doubt there'd be much choice to the boat any more. Remember that next time you complain about the bag charges or whatever else.....
As to the loaders...some of them are very efficient, fast and great to work with. Some are most certainly not. I doubt Mr D is on anyone's Christmas list. Handling agents or Airport Management.
The pilots can only fly down to the minimums listed on the plates. The days of the old CAT3A Shorts 360s are long gone!
Getting the 26 ILS down to CAT2 would only save us on one perhaps two days a year, at great cost. Nothing like economical to do.
Improving the 08 ILS to get rid of the offset and lower the minimums down to 200ft would be far more useful.
If it hadn't been for Flybe's business model and the low cost of the Q400, I doubt there'd be much choice to the boat any more. Remember that next time you complain about the bag charges or whatever else.....
As to the loaders...some of them are very efficient, fast and great to work with. Some are most certainly not. I doubt Mr D is on anyone's Christmas list. Handling agents or Airport Management.
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The 08 ILS offset is presumably because there is no room at the other end for the aerial array. Now if, say, someone was going to build a dirty great chunk of land out into the sea, there would be room, wouldn't there....
But hang on. Didn't I read somewhere that the 08 ILS kit was leased? Wonder how long for? Airport management will look pretty dumb if it can't be repositioned, or if they'd have to break the lease at huge cost to put in the right kit.
Or maybe that's already buried in the RESA costs, as well?
But hang on. Didn't I read somewhere that the 08 ILS kit was leased? Wonder how long for? Airport management will look pretty dumb if it can't be repositioned, or if they'd have to break the lease at huge cost to put in the right kit.
Or maybe that's already buried in the RESA costs, as well?
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emergency situation at Ronaldsway
There's an emergency situation at Ronaldsway for the second time this week.
The airport is on "stand-by" after an incident involving what's thought to be a Flybe jet.
There are few officials details at the moment.
An eye witness reports the aircraft is sat on a taxi runway with the emergency chutes deployed.
Passengers were disembarked and taken to the terminal by bus.
Fire and Ambulance crews, along with police, attended the scene.
hoep everyone is ok, any update on this?
The airport is on "stand-by" after an incident involving what's thought to be a Flybe jet.
There are few officials details at the moment.
An eye witness reports the aircraft is sat on a taxi runway with the emergency chutes deployed.
Passengers were disembarked and taken to the terminal by bus.
Fire and Ambulance crews, along with police, attended the scene.
hoep everyone is ok, any update on this?
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A FLYBE flight between Manchester and Belfast had to make an emergency landing at Isle of Man Airport.
It involved Flybe's Manchester to Belfast City flight making an emergency diversion to the Isle of Man after the crew thought they could smell smoke.
There were 89 passengers on board, who had to escape via the emergency chutes.
A Flybe spokesman said: 'The aircraft, an Embraer 195, made an emergency descent into the Isle of Man Airport as a precautionary measure, landing at 13.17.
'Upon landing all passengers were disembarked as quickly as possible.
'The likely cause of the incident seems to be a failure of the air conditioning and circulation system.
'Flybe is arranging for all passengers to complete their journey to Belfast as quickly as possible and the runway has now re-opened.
'Flybe can confirm it has had no other similar incidents with any of its E195 fleet.'
An emergency services spokesman said: 'There were four minor casualties treated on scene and not taken to hospital and one female taken to hospital.'
Ambulance operations manager Ray Beattie said emergency services were deployed at just after 1pm after receiving reports of an aircraft coming in to land with smoke in the cockpit.
Flights out of the airport are being delayed.
The road by the airport was initially closed, but has now reopened
It involved Flybe's Manchester to Belfast City flight making an emergency diversion to the Isle of Man after the crew thought they could smell smoke.
There were 89 passengers on board, who had to escape via the emergency chutes.
A Flybe spokesman said: 'The aircraft, an Embraer 195, made an emergency descent into the Isle of Man Airport as a precautionary measure, landing at 13.17.
'Upon landing all passengers were disembarked as quickly as possible.
'The likely cause of the incident seems to be a failure of the air conditioning and circulation system.
'Flybe is arranging for all passengers to complete their journey to Belfast as quickly as possible and the runway has now re-opened.
'Flybe can confirm it has had no other similar incidents with any of its E195 fleet.'
An emergency services spokesman said: 'There were four minor casualties treated on scene and not taken to hospital and one female taken to hospital.'
Ambulance operations manager Ray Beattie said emergency services were deployed at just after 1pm after receiving reports of an aircraft coming in to land with smoke in the cockpit.
Flights out of the airport are being delayed.
The road by the airport was initially closed, but has now reopened
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Is the LCY route now gone for good?
Have the economics on the route been so terrible when euromanx operated it that Air France opb Cityjet opb VLM / Scot Airways could not be bothered to look into it? Three daily flights with a Dornier 328 instead of the daily Fokker 50 flight would not result in excessive capacity and also allow for connections to a number of places on the continent such as AMS, PAR, NCE, GVA, BRU, ANR, RTM, EIN etc.
Or is there so little banking-related / connecting traffic originating on the IOM that the services to LGW and LTN are serving all needs?
Have the economics on the route been so terrible when euromanx operated it that Air France opb Cityjet opb VLM / Scot Airways could not be bothered to look into it? Three daily flights with a Dornier 328 instead of the daily Fokker 50 flight would not result in excessive capacity and also allow for connections to a number of places on the continent such as AMS, PAR, NCE, GVA, BRU, ANR, RTM, EIN etc.
Or is there so little banking-related / connecting traffic originating on the IOM that the services to LGW and LTN are serving all needs?
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Pax numbers? Cost. I was due to pop up to help mother with packing the house but we found that (at two weeks notice) the LTN was going to be £187 before car parking at my end. Granted, I had to do a Friday evening to Sunday but that was just a waste of money. This means that I will not be on the Island again for a while. The main reasons for my mother (aged 82) to move is the time and cost for family to visit her from Hertfordshire (me) or Devon for my brother which is very tedious. Fortunately, she sold the house at the right time.
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LCY
Virginblue...The Airport Director has stated regularly that active efforts to re-instate LCY are ongoing with interested airlines, however the issue seems to relate to slot availability at LCY, particulary for smaller aircraft. Appears that whatever 'grandfather rights' EMX had were lost in their collapse.
For time being business traffic must be going to LGW and, to a lesser extent, LTN.
Regarding the volume of business traffic, you need to remember that Jersey, which has a much bigger overall London market than IOM, has only a day-stopping LCY service with VLM, just like IOM, whilst Guernsey has no LCY at all. If the CI's can get by on this basis, then the case for IOM having access to LCY is hardly strengthened.
For time being business traffic must be going to LGW and, to a lesser extent, LTN.
Regarding the volume of business traffic, you need to remember that Jersey, which has a much bigger overall London market than IOM, has only a day-stopping LCY service with VLM, just like IOM, whilst Guernsey has no LCY at all. If the CI's can get by on this basis, then the case for IOM having access to LCY is hardly strengthened.
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tonyg,
true of course, although the overall number of flights to the greater LON area from both JER and GCI is bigger with LGW being served by two airlines from both airports plus flights to LHR, LCY and LTN from JER and to STN from GCI. This wide choice of LON flights, particularly those to LHR and STN, of course eats into a potential market for LCY flights.
If the AF group was really interested in a LCY, they would have some slots available after September 15 as they are axing a number of flights from LCY to the continent.
true of course, although the overall number of flights to the greater LON area from both JER and GCI is bigger with LGW being served by two airlines from both airports plus flights to LHR, LCY and LTN from JER and to STN from GCI. This wide choice of LON flights, particularly those to LHR and STN, of course eats into a potential market for LCY flights.
If the AF group was really interested in a LCY, they would have some slots available after September 15 as they are axing a number of flights from LCY to the continent.
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My understanding is that as long as an airline holds the slots, they can use them to whatever destination they like and for whatever equipment they want. So if the Air France group has some slots available (they will release three in mid-September and I do not recall that the Belfast slots have been replaced), they will have to use them at some point in order to grandfather them rather than seeing them handed over to BA or LH.
btw, is the rule really "no slots for props" or is it rather "no slots for 70 seats or less"? The Q400 is a prop and I doubt that LCY would want to rule that one out whereas 35 seat jets like the FRJ or ER3 would be allowed to serve LCY.
btw, is the rule really "no slots for props" or is it rather "no slots for 70 seats or less"? The Q400 is a prop and I doubt that LCY would want to rule that one out whereas 35 seat jets like the FRJ or ER3 would be allowed to serve LCY.