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Yes, should be a mix of 170/190 on CDG. The 145 was still making an occasional appearance, but don't know if it is still doing (eg. Sat mornings).
Meanwhile, Thomas Cook are unable to offer Ibiza as bmi are not able to offer their 319s as in previous years. Left Thomas Cook not enough time apparently to make alternative arrangements.
Not surprisingly, APD will increase, the lobbying by airlines & airports, including ABZ, falling on deaf ears in the Budget today.
Meanwhile, Thomas Cook are unable to offer Ibiza as bmi are not able to offer their 319s as in previous years. Left Thomas Cook not enough time apparently to make alternative arrangements.
Not surprisingly, APD will increase, the lobbying by airlines & airports, including ABZ, falling on deaf ears in the Budget today.
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Not surprisingly, APD will increase, the lobbying by airlines & airports, including ABZ, falling on deaf ears in the Budget today.
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Jet2
(from the Herald)
Comment from Jet2 MD Ian Doubtfire, following their GLA expansion announcement:
The imminent introduction of additional air passenger duty (APD) taxes will see costs rise for all airlines.
Mr Doubtfire would consider greater investment in Scotland if APD was to become a devolved matter and the levy was reduced.
He said: "APD puts the ticket price up but we all have to pay our taxes. APD is not great news but on the other hand it has only gone up by £1 so it is not the end of the world.
"If APD was devolved and it was lower it might encourage to us expand more.
"The truth of the matter is you have to fly routes and destinations to demand. If people really want to go to these places that is the most important thing."
The airline also flies 16 routes from Edinburgh and would consider offering more in Scotland.
Although Mr Doubtfire ruled out expanding into Prestwick Airport he admitted Aberdeen was a possibility. He added: "You can only fly from one Glasgow airport and I think we are at the right one.
"Aberdeen could be something for the future."
So Jet2 not to be ruled out totally, but whether that's next year, 2014 or beyond, who knows. Also possibly depends on whether APD will be devolved or not.
Comment from Jet2 MD Ian Doubtfire, following their GLA expansion announcement:
The imminent introduction of additional air passenger duty (APD) taxes will see costs rise for all airlines.
Mr Doubtfire would consider greater investment in Scotland if APD was to become a devolved matter and the levy was reduced.
He said: "APD puts the ticket price up but we all have to pay our taxes. APD is not great news but on the other hand it has only gone up by £1 so it is not the end of the world.
"If APD was devolved and it was lower it might encourage to us expand more.
"The truth of the matter is you have to fly routes and destinations to demand. If people really want to go to these places that is the most important thing."
The airline also flies 16 routes from Edinburgh and would consider offering more in Scotland.
Although Mr Doubtfire ruled out expanding into Prestwick Airport he admitted Aberdeen was a possibility. He added: "You can only fly from one Glasgow airport and I think we are at the right one.
"Aberdeen could be something for the future."
So Jet2 not to be ruled out totally, but whether that's next year, 2014 or beyond, who knows. Also possibly depends on whether APD will be devolved or not.
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extract from IAG release today re bmi takeover
IAG has offered the following commitments to the EC as part of the regulatory process:
· Seven daily slot pairs to be used between Heathrow and either Edinburgh and/or Aberdeen.
Could there be any takers? bmi couldn't make it work.
And what of bmi Regional. Looks like project Granite isn't going forward now, unless a welcome surprise is sprung soon.
Will we ever see a local-based airline at ABZ again, if bmi Regional comes to an end?
· Seven daily slot pairs to be used between Heathrow and either Edinburgh and/or Aberdeen.
Could there be any takers? bmi couldn't make it work.
And what of bmi Regional. Looks like project Granite isn't going forward now, unless a welcome surprise is sprung soon.
Will we ever see a local-based airline at ABZ again, if bmi Regional comes to an end?
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Revised Masterplan (BBC report)
Plans to carry out a £100m redevelopment of Aberdeen Airport over the next 30 years have been unveiled.
The airport's draft master plan includes a major refurbishment of the terminal building and space for further runway expansion.
The blueprint, which will now go out for consultation, also sets a target of raising passenger numbers by 40% by 2040.
It estimates the development could create about 1,100 jobs.
Aberdeen was said to have been the UK's fastest growing airport last year, with forecasts produced by BAA predicting a growing demand in the long-term for air services to and from the city.
BAA estimated passenger numbers at the airport would reach four million by 2020 and more than five million by 2040.
The draft master plan sets out how Aberdeen Airport will develop to meet that future demand, and compete more effectively against UK and European rivals.
Derek Provan, managing director of Aberdeen Airport, said: "The aviation industry has changed a great deal since the first Aberdeen Airport Master Plan was published in 2006, a time of unprecedented growth in the aviation industry.
"It was followed by the worst downturn in aviation history, a worldwide slump in demand and the loss of dozens of UK and European airlines, including flyglobespan and Aberdeen-based City Star Airlines.
"Given the extent of the downturn, and the impact on air passenger demand across the world, it is only sensible that we take stock and refresh our long-term forecasts to reflect the changed business landscape. This draft master contains a series of revised forecasts for growth, which we believe are realistic, sustainable and achievable."
Local residents, businesses and politicians will have a chance to air their views on the future development of the airport during a 12-week public consultation.
Mr Provan added: "We recognise that we can only grow with the support and trust of our neighbours. We are determined to grow Aberdeen Airport in a responsible and sustainable manner, and we will be consulting widely on our plans to ensure that all sections of the community have an opportunity to share their views."
Business use
Bob Collier, chief executive for Aberdeen and Grampian Chamber of Commerce, said the proposals in the draft master plan illustrated "the depth of Aberdeen Airport's commitment to the north east of Scotland".
He added: "The region has already been the beneficiary of a multi-million pounds investment in its infrastructure which has considerably improved the standard of service for passengers travelling to this world as well as opening up opportunities for new routes. These ambitious proposals take the potential for the region to the next level."
Aberdeen Airport handled 3.1 million passengers, more than 97,000 passenger flights and about 6,200 tonnes of freight in 2011.
The airport has about 20 airlines flying to some 40 destinations, with a high percentage of business use.
The airport's draft master plan includes a major refurbishment of the terminal building and space for further runway expansion.
The blueprint, which will now go out for consultation, also sets a target of raising passenger numbers by 40% by 2040.
It estimates the development could create about 1,100 jobs.
Aberdeen was said to have been the UK's fastest growing airport last year, with forecasts produced by BAA predicting a growing demand in the long-term for air services to and from the city.
BAA estimated passenger numbers at the airport would reach four million by 2020 and more than five million by 2040.
The draft master plan sets out how Aberdeen Airport will develop to meet that future demand, and compete more effectively against UK and European rivals.
Derek Provan, managing director of Aberdeen Airport, said: "The aviation industry has changed a great deal since the first Aberdeen Airport Master Plan was published in 2006, a time of unprecedented growth in the aviation industry.
"It was followed by the worst downturn in aviation history, a worldwide slump in demand and the loss of dozens of UK and European airlines, including flyglobespan and Aberdeen-based City Star Airlines.
"Given the extent of the downturn, and the impact on air passenger demand across the world, it is only sensible that we take stock and refresh our long-term forecasts to reflect the changed business landscape. This draft master contains a series of revised forecasts for growth, which we believe are realistic, sustainable and achievable."
Local residents, businesses and politicians will have a chance to air their views on the future development of the airport during a 12-week public consultation.
Mr Provan added: "We recognise that we can only grow with the support and trust of our neighbours. We are determined to grow Aberdeen Airport in a responsible and sustainable manner, and we will be consulting widely on our plans to ensure that all sections of the community have an opportunity to share their views."
Business use
Bob Collier, chief executive for Aberdeen and Grampian Chamber of Commerce, said the proposals in the draft master plan illustrated "the depth of Aberdeen Airport's commitment to the north east of Scotland".
He added: "The region has already been the beneficiary of a multi-million pounds investment in its infrastructure which has considerably improved the standard of service for passengers travelling to this world as well as opening up opportunities for new routes. These ambitious proposals take the potential for the region to the next level."
Aberdeen Airport handled 3.1 million passengers, more than 97,000 passenger flights and about 6,200 tonnes of freight in 2011.
The airport has about 20 airlines flying to some 40 destinations, with a high percentage of business use.
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IAG has offered the following commitments to the EC as part of the regulatory process:
· Seven daily slot pairs to be used between Heathrow and either Edinburgh and/or Aberdeen.
Maybe Cityjet using there RJ85's could run these route's ?????
Any thoughts on this ????
· Seven daily slot pairs to be used between Heathrow and either Edinburgh and/or Aberdeen.
Maybe Cityjet using there RJ85's could run these route's ?????
Any thoughts on this ????
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wow!!
Edinburgh AND Aberdeen - that's an early morning, lunchtime and late evening to both then
and the spare on a Friday night/Mon morning for all the poor people who work in Aberdeen and are desperate to get out for a weekend at home
Edinburgh AND Aberdeen - that's an early morning, lunchtime and late evening to both then
and the spare on a Friday night/Mon morning for all the poor people who work in Aberdeen and are desperate to get out for a weekend at home
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So another month and a further increase in pax numbers - up 10.2% to 275k for March.
Question is for how long will we continue to see growth for? Is there any news/rumours of new routes at all??
Question is for how long will we continue to see growth for? Is there any news/rumours of new routes at all??
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Airlines are usually coy when it comes to expansion & looking at any particular route. Standard phrases are used, such as 'always looking at viable opportunities', 'no current plans' & 'xxx airport could be something for the future'. Eastern, Flybe & Jet2 respectively.
The recent survey carried out by Aberdeen Airport might give them some pointers as to what routes & which airlines to pitch to. Then again, we've had surveys before that appear to have gathered dust. Thankfully, the BAA do seem to be taking a more pro-active approach to ABZ now, & the healthy growth in passenger figures may help any case. But I sense among the UK airlines a reluctance to commit to expanding at ABZ. Maybe that is a misplaced perception on my part. But it may also be understandable, given the state of the world economy & high fuel prices - as well as the current rumpus over APD - that airlines the world over (if you exclude Emirates!!) are being cautious. And airport management have previously said that it takes time to put in place all the ingrediants for an airline to start a route, not to say that airlines may already have the aircraft tied up elsewhere. I've never been the biggest advocate of BAA, but I think they are actively pursuing opportunities at ABZ - not before time, some might say!
They have commented recently that their focus is currently on expanding leisure opportunities out of ABZ - but I can't see it now for this summer (they had been hoping to bring forward any plans airlines might have had for ABZ from 2013 to this year). The loss of MON & GSM have never really been fully addressed. Barrhead Travel brought back AGP & PMI last year, but appears only AGP will be back for S12. Which brings me back to reluctance of other airlines, that ABZ had to rely on Barrhead (not an airline) to relaunch lost services as no other airline was willing or able to do it themselves.
Will be interesting to see what will become of competitive LHR services. The 7 slot pairs domestically are for EDI AND/OR ABZ, so will Virgin live up to the hype & back up their words with deeds? Will Aer Lingus bid for the slots? And will either use them for ABZ, ABZ/EDI...or solely EDI? Or indeed neither!!
Re Cityjet, they won't come onto LHR, but they were supposed to be evaluating a LCY service. I noticed some local businessmen quoted last week that such a service would be desirable & convenient. Again though, not sure anything will happen quickly, certainly not for summer.
There were other quotes in an earlier report that businesses were hoping for the likes of Calgary, New York, Houston & yes, Dubai - the latter courtesy of Taqa, the ME-based oil co. that have a UK North Sea subsidiary based near Aberdeen.
The recent survey carried out by Aberdeen Airport might give them some pointers as to what routes & which airlines to pitch to. Then again, we've had surveys before that appear to have gathered dust. Thankfully, the BAA do seem to be taking a more pro-active approach to ABZ now, & the healthy growth in passenger figures may help any case. But I sense among the UK airlines a reluctance to commit to expanding at ABZ. Maybe that is a misplaced perception on my part. But it may also be understandable, given the state of the world economy & high fuel prices - as well as the current rumpus over APD - that airlines the world over (if you exclude Emirates!!) are being cautious. And airport management have previously said that it takes time to put in place all the ingrediants for an airline to start a route, not to say that airlines may already have the aircraft tied up elsewhere. I've never been the biggest advocate of BAA, but I think they are actively pursuing opportunities at ABZ - not before time, some might say!
They have commented recently that their focus is currently on expanding leisure opportunities out of ABZ - but I can't see it now for this summer (they had been hoping to bring forward any plans airlines might have had for ABZ from 2013 to this year). The loss of MON & GSM have never really been fully addressed. Barrhead Travel brought back AGP & PMI last year, but appears only AGP will be back for S12. Which brings me back to reluctance of other airlines, that ABZ had to rely on Barrhead (not an airline) to relaunch lost services as no other airline was willing or able to do it themselves.
Will be interesting to see what will become of competitive LHR services. The 7 slot pairs domestically are for EDI AND/OR ABZ, so will Virgin live up to the hype & back up their words with deeds? Will Aer Lingus bid for the slots? And will either use them for ABZ, ABZ/EDI...or solely EDI? Or indeed neither!!
Re Cityjet, they won't come onto LHR, but they were supposed to be evaluating a LCY service. I noticed some local businessmen quoted last week that such a service would be desirable & convenient. Again though, not sure anything will happen quickly, certainly not for summer.
There were other quotes in an earlier report that businesses were hoping for the likes of Calgary, New York, Houston & yes, Dubai - the latter courtesy of Taqa, the ME-based oil co. that have a UK North Sea subsidiary based near Aberdeen.
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Looking back at the CAA stats for 2007 and AGP carried 42k pax - 35 of them on scheduled services.
So the demand is there I would say but I don't think there is enough routes that ABZ could support on a 2x weekly operation.
I can only think AGP, ALC and BCN. An aircraft would probably need to be based and 3 routes at 2x weekly of course isn't going to warrant a based aircraft. And Jet2 or easyjet aren't going to bother shifting aircraft around for a small time op at ABZ.
So the demand is there I would say but I don't think there is enough routes that ABZ could support on a 2x weekly operation.
I can only think AGP, ALC and BCN. An aircraft would probably need to be based and 3 routes at 2x weekly of course isn't going to warrant a based aircraft. And Jet2 or easyjet aren't going to bother shifting aircraft around for a small time op at ABZ.
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Exactly. A huge majority of Aberdeen's movements are turboprop aircraft and ERJs - too small for airbridges (not sure about the E170s/190s). One could be placed on Stand 7 for BA!
But this was always the problem the Airport had when the likes of Ryanair were asking for more & more discounts. As things stood, RYR got exactly the same facilities as the likes of BA, KLM and Lufthansa do now. The airport couldn't, and rightly didn't, give further concessions to them.
IF things like airbridges were available, that might be one way to offer airlines a reduced tarriff - make their passengers walk in the elements!
Can't see it happening though!
But this was always the problem the Airport had when the likes of Ryanair were asking for more & more discounts. As things stood, RYR got exactly the same facilities as the likes of BA, KLM and Lufthansa do now. The airport couldn't, and rightly didn't, give further concessions to them.
IF things like airbridges were available, that might be one way to offer airlines a reduced tarriff - make their passengers walk in the elements!
Can't see it happening though!
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Revised Master Plan
Airport has today started the public consultations over the revised Master Plan.
Now's yer chance to raise airbridges, baggage carousels, better railway station/terminal links etc etc etc.
Coming to a venue near you...somewhere!
Now's yer chance to raise airbridges, baggage carousels, better railway station/terminal links etc etc etc.
Coming to a venue near you...somewhere!