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I think that talk that Flybe were going to be big was common to a number of regional airports where it hasn't happened - certainly heard the same sort of stories from Flybe spokesmen such as Mike Rutter here in Newcastle
This quote from summer of 2008 when they took over the Gatwick from Jet2 (to be honest I didn't remember it being as specifc as this!)
This quote from summer of 2008 when they took over the Gatwick from Jet2 (to be honest I didn't remember it being as specifc as this!)
"Flybe’s chief commercial officer Mike Rutter said: “We recognise the strategic importance of this key route to the capital and are pleased to be in a position to step in and maintain this lifeline service for the people of Newcastle and the North East.... We are also announcing direct routes from Newcastle to Aberdeen six days a week and a weekly summer service to Rennes in France, both destinations of which have proved extremely popular with our passengers around the UK. On top of that, we will bring to the airport over the next 18 months brand new routes to Scandinavia, routes to Frankfurt, Stuttgart and we will also bring a further range of French regional routes, as well as extending services to places like Brussels. This expansion shows our commitment to the North East and we look forward to introducing even more destinations in the future.”
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Impressive - I did wonder what the Titan 757 had arrived for. Was/is it some sort of oil pax/freight charter to/from Equatorial Guinea?
Perhaps an advantage of the longer runway, although I do remember a Privatair 757 flying to Dakar, Senegal a few years back obviously pre-extension.
Let's hope it's a sign of things to come!
Perhaps an advantage of the longer runway, although I do remember a Privatair 757 flying to Dakar, Senegal a few years back obviously pre-extension.
Let's hope it's a sign of things to come!
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O'er The Pole
The recent news that twin-jet ops were being allowed to route over the North Pole, thus cutting journey times & by implication fuel costs, prompted the local press to run the following story:
"Hopes have been raised that travellers using Scottish airports could be in line for new international routes.
It has been reported that airlines have been given permission to fly twin-jet aircraft over the North Pole, saving hours in travelling time, millions in fuel costs and opening up new destinations.
First Minister Alex Salmond has welcomed the development and said officials at Transport Scotland and VisitScotland would urgently seek clarity on the potential benefits for Scotland.
Aberdeen Airport could not comment on the move but Inglis Lyon, managing director of Highlands and Islands Airports, said: "We would need to see more detail to establish if Inverness Airport could benefit from the relaxation of the regulations.
"In general, any support for improving the viability of international air routes directly into the Highlands is welcomed."
The easing of rules about how close twin-jet planes must keep to diversion airports is expected to mean faster, cheaper and cleaner flights.
Until now, America's aviation regulators have insisted that the nearest suitable place to land must be no more than three hours away. That has now been extended to five-and-a-half hours - so long as the airline meets a series of criteria, from additional equipment to special training.
Twin-jet aircraft have always faced tight rules on how far they can be from a diversion airport - the failure of one engine is potentially much more serious than for a four-jet aircraft.
Mr Salmond said: "Coming hard on the heels of recent positive talks in China and the Middle East about exploring new air links, progress on Santa's Shortcut could be a welcome Christmas gift to our tourism, business and aviation sectors.
"While Transport Scotland are already seeking more detail, it could potentially save millions of pounds in fuel costs, opening up new routes and crucially reducing damage to the environment.
"We are already exploring the expansion of our international air connections with key global markets and continue to work very closely with the Chinese and other governments and airlines to develop direct air links."
Mr Salmond said he was delighted that a senior Chinese aviation delegation would travel to Scotland early in the new year to take forward these plans.
He added: "In addition, we continue to argue the case for a state-aid-compliant mechanism which would be effective in supporting our aspirations to improve Scotland's international air links.
"The current EC guidelines severely restrict the amount of aid that can be given and to which airports.
"And we have repeatedly called for the devolution of air passenger duty, which could be an effective mechanism to realise our air-connectivity aspirations.
"The UK Government's dithering alongside an increase in the duty from April 1, 2012, threatens the competitiveness of Scotland's airports in the global market." "
(P&J)
ABZ haven't commented, possibly because it's the holidays/skeleton staffing, but I would imagine it's the sort of thing that might interest them & help any long-haul case.
However...it's a press puff piece, so feel free to pick it apart at leisure!
"Hopes have been raised that travellers using Scottish airports could be in line for new international routes.
It has been reported that airlines have been given permission to fly twin-jet aircraft over the North Pole, saving hours in travelling time, millions in fuel costs and opening up new destinations.
First Minister Alex Salmond has welcomed the development and said officials at Transport Scotland and VisitScotland would urgently seek clarity on the potential benefits for Scotland.
Aberdeen Airport could not comment on the move but Inglis Lyon, managing director of Highlands and Islands Airports, said: "We would need to see more detail to establish if Inverness Airport could benefit from the relaxation of the regulations.
"In general, any support for improving the viability of international air routes directly into the Highlands is welcomed."
The easing of rules about how close twin-jet planes must keep to diversion airports is expected to mean faster, cheaper and cleaner flights.
Until now, America's aviation regulators have insisted that the nearest suitable place to land must be no more than three hours away. That has now been extended to five-and-a-half hours - so long as the airline meets a series of criteria, from additional equipment to special training.
Twin-jet aircraft have always faced tight rules on how far they can be from a diversion airport - the failure of one engine is potentially much more serious than for a four-jet aircraft.
Mr Salmond said: "Coming hard on the heels of recent positive talks in China and the Middle East about exploring new air links, progress on Santa's Shortcut could be a welcome Christmas gift to our tourism, business and aviation sectors.
"While Transport Scotland are already seeking more detail, it could potentially save millions of pounds in fuel costs, opening up new routes and crucially reducing damage to the environment.
"We are already exploring the expansion of our international air connections with key global markets and continue to work very closely with the Chinese and other governments and airlines to develop direct air links."
Mr Salmond said he was delighted that a senior Chinese aviation delegation would travel to Scotland early in the new year to take forward these plans.
He added: "In addition, we continue to argue the case for a state-aid-compliant mechanism which would be effective in supporting our aspirations to improve Scotland's international air links.
"The current EC guidelines severely restrict the amount of aid that can be given and to which airports.
"And we have repeatedly called for the devolution of air passenger duty, which could be an effective mechanism to realise our air-connectivity aspirations.
"The UK Government's dithering alongside an increase in the duty from April 1, 2012, threatens the competitiveness of Scotland's airports in the global market." "
(P&J)
ABZ haven't commented, possibly because it's the holidays/skeleton staffing, but I would imagine it's the sort of thing that might interest them & help any long-haul case.
However...it's a press puff piece, so feel free to pick it apart at leisure!
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Cityjet & London City?
Morning, & Happy New Year to all that follow the ABZ thread.
From Scotland On Sunday:
A BATTLE for Anglo-Scottish business air passengers is looming as CityJet prepares to announce new flights and consolidate operations in Edinburgh.
The Air France-KLM-owned airline is expected to unveil extra services between the Scottish capital and London City airport, which has become a favourite among business travellers.
A new route from Aberdeen to the Docklands airport is also in the offing, along with more flights from Dundee. Aberdeen was chosen because several oil firms have Docklands offices, and flights to Heathrow are expected to be reduced if BA takes over BMI.
LCY last served by Scot Airways with D328 in 2001, I think.
From Scotland On Sunday:
A BATTLE for Anglo-Scottish business air passengers is looming as CityJet prepares to announce new flights and consolidate operations in Edinburgh.
The Air France-KLM-owned airline is expected to unveil extra services between the Scottish capital and London City airport, which has become a favourite among business travellers.
A new route from Aberdeen to the Docklands airport is also in the offing, along with more flights from Dundee. Aberdeen was chosen because several oil firms have Docklands offices, and flights to Heathrow are expected to be reduced if BA takes over BMI.
LCY last served by Scot Airways with D328 in 2001, I think.
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Jersey European (as they were then) served LCY about that time, using old Dash 8 2/300's, but from what I remember the timings weren't the best. I'm also surprised there's still no one doing a Saturday Geneva in the winter!
ABZ-LCY
Maybe Loganair (ex Suckling)will tie in their new Norwich Exeter service
Press Office :: Flying start at Norwich in 2012 - Loganair
with LCY using the D328's?
Press Office :: Flying start at Norwich in 2012 - Loganair
with LCY using the D328's?
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exlatccatsa (ey up chris), brace yourself for Cityireland RJs!
If I rememebr corrcetly the "recent" history of ABZ-LCY was initially British European using DHC8-200s (did they start with 146s and then reduce it to DHC8s?), and when they couldn't make it work, Scot Airways had a bash with D328s. It still didn't work.
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If I rememebr corrcetly the "recent" history of ABZ-LCY was initially British European using DHC8-200s (did they start with 146s and then reduce it to DHC8s?), and when they couldn't make it work, Scot Airways had a bash with D328s. It still didn't work.
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As I remember it, it was British European 146s on three(?) times a day schedule - can't remember if there were weekend flights. Capacity was reduced to Dash 8-200 (& possibly one rotation axed). Then route itself was dropped.
Scot Airways picked it up on D328s (can't recall schedule) but then '9/11' happened & the route was dropped not long after as passengers numbers dropped in the wake of the atrocity.
When City Star were around, there were rumours that they were going to launch a D328 service to LCY...sadly we know what happened to City Star.
With growth continuing at ABZ seeing the latest figures in the news today, perhaps now is the right time to try the route again.
ABZ can be a difficult market to crack, so we shall see.
Scot Airways picked it up on D328s (can't recall schedule) but then '9/11' happened & the route was dropped not long after as passengers numbers dropped in the wake of the atrocity.
When City Star were around, there were rumours that they were going to launch a D328 service to LCY...sadly we know what happened to City Star.
With growth continuing at ABZ seeing the latest figures in the news today, perhaps now is the right time to try the route again.
ABZ can be a difficult market to crack, so we shall see.
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extra Sumburgh flights...temporarily
BBC News - New flights from Shetland to Aberdeen for two months
During Feb & Mar, whilst the Northern Isles ferry service between Aberdeen & Lerwick is reduced due maintenance.
During Feb & Mar, whilst the Northern Isles ferry service between Aberdeen & Lerwick is reduced due maintenance.
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I'm sure there is a heck of a lot of biz pax on the BA flights that would benefit from an LCY service but maybe not want to use a different airline due to frequent flyer clubs etc. So I would have thought instead of increasing the LHR service if/when BMI regional (or what ever it becomes) pulls off the LHR route, a LCY-ABZ service with the E170 with CityFlyer would make sense instead? Still gives the non biz folk connections to other services too.
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Frankfurt
Looks like Lufthansa will use B737-500 on some of the Franfurkt flights from the start of the summer timetable. No real change to capacity as far as I can see though, as the 735 seats around the same number of pax as the E90. Any indication as to how this route has performed over the past couple of months? I was booked to CAI via FRA in December but had to cancel.
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Source CAA: November pax 5978 sectors 180 (source Libhomeradar)
Therefore - average 33 per flight or 33% load factor.
Taken in isolation these figures are poor but if you start a route in winter in
harsh economic conditions you might say, what do you expect.
However it is to serve a major hub and not just for point to point traffic and of course there are other unknown factors such as yields (to us). It might have met or exceeded expectations but who knows.
All I can quote is from my local airport where Turkish Airlines at BHX suffered low load factors month in month out (except July and August) but they persevered and it took 18 months to get regular decent passenger figures.
The only recent history we have got for Lufthansa is at Bristol and they were not that patient.
Bristol's first full month was 7948 pax but it was April 2008 but by November 2008 it was 8309 pax. A bit pointless I suppose as it is not like for like and the aircraft was a four-engined fuel guzzler (RJ85) but the best I can do.
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Source CAA: November pax 5978 sectors 180 (source Libhomeradar)
Therefore - average 33 per flight or 33% load factor.
Taken in isolation these figures are poor but if you start a route in winter in
harsh economic conditions you might say, what do you expect.
However it is to serve a major hub and not just for point to point traffic and of course there are other unknown factors such as yields (to us). It might have met or exceeded expectations but who knows.
All I can quote is from my local airport where Turkish Airlines at BHX suffered low load factors month in month out (except July and August) but they persevered and it took 18 months to get regular decent passenger figures.
The only recent history we have got for Lufthansa is at Bristol and they were not that patient.
Bristol's first full month was 7948 pax but it was April 2008 but by November 2008 it was 8309 pax. A bit pointless I suppose as it is not like for like and the aircraft was a four-engined fuel guzzler (RJ85) but the best I can do.
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