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Sad news on Ryanair Base Crush in Alicante
Cutting all but 2 planes in Alicante from Nov 2011?
Really one of the best Ryanair bases for crews and I am sure it must have done well commercially.
I suspect that Ryanair has left it too late to do a deal. Ryanair seem to have no one in place to do their business in Spain.
AENA will not react to Ryanair threats - they are bigger than Ryanair.
Passengers will now immediately start booking flights for this summer with any carrier except Ryanair. Even on these forums people already think it is immediate. So Ryanair will lose yield and business right now. That in turn will weaken the overall case for Alicante.
Ryanair will struggle to find other profitable places to put the planes. Cut Alicante over a bodged deal on airbridges.
The good routes which have been built up by Ryanair crews over the years will quickly be picked up by competitors - all for a lack of management.
Staff will now not trust being in any base. If they crush MRS, ALC, GRO and crush HHN and others - no where is safe. That was the key for many people in the past - but I think no staff can now settle anywhere.
Really one of the best Ryanair bases for crews and I am sure it must have done well commercially.
I suspect that Ryanair has left it too late to do a deal. Ryanair seem to have no one in place to do their business in Spain.
AENA will not react to Ryanair threats - they are bigger than Ryanair.
Passengers will now immediately start booking flights for this summer with any carrier except Ryanair. Even on these forums people already think it is immediate. So Ryanair will lose yield and business right now. That in turn will weaken the overall case for Alicante.
Ryanair will struggle to find other profitable places to put the planes. Cut Alicante over a bodged deal on airbridges.
The good routes which have been built up by Ryanair crews over the years will quickly be picked up by competitors - all for a lack of management.
Staff will now not trust being in any base. If they crush MRS, ALC, GRO and crush HHN and others - no where is safe. That was the key for many people in the past - but I think no staff can now settle anywhere.
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Presume the RYR post above is a mistake insofar as it's posted in the ABZ thread. However would ABZ at the present time sustain any more RYR flights? I remember every so often the parties would say they "continued to talk to each other" but seems to have gone quiet. Would 189-seat 738s pay on any more routes out of here? Occasionally someone from the airline would attack the charges whilst also saying that they could launch a couple of new routes out of ABZ. Personally, for all that is said about them, I would like to see RYR try a couple of routes from here...although I accept they do court controversy!
Meanwhile, loganair are to add 60 flights between Sumburgh & ABZ over the summer, between 17/6 & 22/8. This takes account of school holidays & the Tall Ships event which I presume is coming to Shetland. I was lucky enough to be at two Tall Ships events when they came to Aberdeen, & it was a colourful scene indeed & well worth seeing! Remember the DC3 pleasure flights out of ABZ, & similar heli flights where the helis were based at the links!
Meanwhile, loganair are to add 60 flights between Sumburgh & ABZ over the summer, between 17/6 & 22/8. This takes account of school holidays & the Tall Ships event which I presume is coming to Shetland. I was lucky enough to be at two Tall Ships events when they came to Aberdeen, & it was a colourful scene indeed & well worth seeing! Remember the DC3 pleasure flights out of ABZ, & similar heli flights where the helis were based at the links!
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Times for the CWL-NCL T3 route are changing from May allowing a CWL-ABZ connection in the morning and a ABZ-CWL connection in the evening. Sunday rotation stays the same. Before there was only the ABZ-CWL in the evening.
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richard, i agree with you....lets see them at least give a route a go...if it doesnt work then pull out. but at least try one...but to where??
maybe stansted
what are the pax numbers on their dublin route and will this one be affected by aer lingus? Only time will tell....any thoughts??
maybe stansted
what are the pax numbers on their dublin route and will this one be affected by aer lingus? Only time will tell....any thoughts??
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Stansted
I would Love to see a Stansted, working at the airport myself, I could see it being popular with all the routes you could feed into, also I remember as a kid in the Air Uk days it was always popular, even flew on it and i remember the Fokker 100 being full.
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Two reasons FR won't try ABZ-STN. The B737-800 is frankly too big and domestic air travel is dying in the UK. FR killed STN-BLK / NQY and STN-PIK is now a single daily flight. The other reason is that STN is not a FR hub, it's a base. There is NO connectivity with FR, they are point to point only and won't let you book a connection even if you asked.
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I agree with Skipness about UK domestic services dying however whilst it is true that FR are not a connectivity airline and you cannot fly via Stansted with them on one ticket to a European destination it is quite possible to fly into Stansted on one booking and out again on another booking allowing suitable time to disembark, collect baggage and then check in again for the onward flight. I and many others have down this on many occasions flying from Edinburgh especially to Stansted, but also Luton and Gatwick. The onward flight can also be with another carrier but the point is there may well be many from Aberdeen who would welcome a link to Stansted with FR for the above reasons.
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what have i started...anyway, i too flew with AirUk years ago, memories....i only mentioned Stansted because its the only London airport not served. I agree that the 738 might be too big but with EZY and BE the prices in and out of ABZ are shocking compared with other airports because there is no low cost competition, or are there other factors.
Any other suggestions of a route...??
Any other suggestions of a route...??
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Not one for RYR or EZY but surely ABZ - LCY would be a popular route. Have driven to DND to catch an almost full flight to LCY on a number of occassions. One for T3 or BE maybe ?
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Azer are now looking to use an A320 instead of the smaller 319 on the Baku -ABZ service, assuming it is all going ahead. The Wed flight has been changed to a Tues one. The Sun service remains.
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Run to Brimmond Hillllll !!!!
The Iron Maiden liveried Astraeus 757 was in town today, on a Thomson flight. Don't think Cap'n Dickinson was on duty, but he should be when the Maiden are in concert here in July!!
A trick of the light?...or just Afraid...of...the...Dark!!!!
Also something about a klm liveried DC3 later this month, on a tour of Scottish airports apparently - that'll be also something worth seeing!
A trick of the light?...or just Afraid...of...the...Dark!!!!
Also something about a klm liveried DC3 later this month, on a tour of Scottish airports apparently - that'll be also something worth seeing!
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AZAL have released confirmation of the GYD-ABZ service in their news section now. Been up there for a few days. Thanks for DD for pointing this out elsewhere. Just have to wait & see whether their aircraft turn up as scheduled!
Eastern apparently are increasing SOU flights but there are reductions on SVG & BGO services. LPL will only be one flight M-F if what I've read is correct. However T3 these days do tweek services when demand over the summer holidays reduces. Also read that T3 will not be a JS41 base for much longer. If so, would SYY & WIC go over to SB20? Doesn't seem feasible.
Any other domestic & international news, particularly on the new routes front?
There were plenty cones about when I passed the airport at the start of the month. How is the runway extension progressing? And once complete, will that be it, as I thought what was being built was only part of what had been originally proposed.
Eastern apparently are increasing SOU flights but there are reductions on SVG & BGO services. LPL will only be one flight M-F if what I've read is correct. However T3 these days do tweek services when demand over the summer holidays reduces. Also read that T3 will not be a JS41 base for much longer. If so, would SYY & WIC go over to SB20? Doesn't seem feasible.
Any other domestic & international news, particularly on the new routes front?
There were plenty cones about when I passed the airport at the start of the month. How is the runway extension progressing? And once complete, will that be it, as I thought what was being built was only part of what had been originally proposed.
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LH to start from ABZ
It is being reported on other sites that LH are to start a service to FRA from both ABZ and GLA. Is there any truth to these rumours.
It has been spoken about for some time now, about a service to Germany from ABZ.
Also, what happened to the proposed direct Polish link? I believe they carried out surveys within the Polish community to establish if there was a need, a few years back but nothing seems to have come out of it.
I thought that given the runway extension building work has commenced that we would have started hearing some new route announcements.
It has been spoken about for some time now, about a service to Germany from ABZ.
Also, what happened to the proposed direct Polish link? I believe they carried out surveys within the Polish community to establish if there was a need, a few years back but nothing seems to have come out of it.
I thought that given the runway extension building work has commenced that we would have started hearing some new route announcements.
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There have been mutterings about this for a while and with FRA getting its new runway soon there may be some extra slots (although I believe the new capacity will perhaps be phased in?). If LH were to launch these routes, I would've though it might be more likely done using BD ERJ-145s rather than LH metal - would maybe save them having to nightstop LH crew etc.
There have been mutterings about this for a while and with FRA getting its new runway soon there may be some extra slots (although I believe the new capacity will perhaps be phased in?). If LH were to launch these routes, I would've though it might be more likely done using BD ERJ-145s rather than LH metal - would maybe save them having to nightstop LH crew etc.
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UK Regional Airports: News And Rumours — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net
UK Regional Airports: News And Rumours — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net
2 x DC3's This month
KLM are bringing in their "Flying Dutchman" DC3 to Aberdeen on the 26th May, Flight times below.
26 May: Edinburgh departure 9:00 - Aberdeen arrival 10:00
Aberdeen-Amsterdam: departure time 12:00 .
And there are strong rumours of a Basler DC3 conversion CGAWI operating out of Aberdeen on a gas survey in the next few weeks.. You won't miss this one as its in an orange white and blue colour scheme.
FlightAware > Photo of Douglas DC-3 (CGAWI)
26 May: Edinburgh departure 9:00 - Aberdeen arrival 10:00
Aberdeen-Amsterdam: departure time 12:00 .
And there are strong rumours of a Basler DC3 conversion CGAWI operating out of Aberdeen on a gas survey in the next few weeks.. You won't miss this one as its in an orange white and blue colour scheme.
FlightAware > Photo of Douglas DC-3 (CGAWI)
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APD for helicopters?
Just what is this Tory Govt up to? They seem determined to tax the oil & gas industry to the hilt, if this proposal becomes reality. Perhaps they want to drive it out of this area? 