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I'm sure that BAA own Millie's Farm but haven't done anything with it.There is a plan for a circular type of thing with nose in stands,but not for a while.I think that should be looked at rather quickly.
I think that the Damon Hill stand 0 should have been built 2 years ago.
As for land south of the flying club.That would be tricky as the 34 glide path and protected area is there.Access would be difficult.
There was rumblings that BAA wanted to take away 23,and use it for parking.With the starter strip requiring backtracks,and also vortex wake problems,then the gaps will have to be enormous.Thats because there are no high speed turnoffs on 16 either.Losing 23 would be a disaster for the movement rates,but then the BAA won't have to sort out that mess either.
I have had to hold Air France on the apron for nearly 30 mins,and try and find a place as to not completey jam the airport.''Pierre'' doesn't understand that there are empty stands,but he can't park there as they are domestic.With the growing number of flights(another 5% purely in the winter schedules) on top of the double digit growth figures,then this problem needs an urgent fix.Not 2007 or when the new bypass gets built.NOW
I think that the Damon Hill stand 0 should have been built 2 years ago.
As for land south of the flying club.That would be tricky as the 34 glide path and protected area is there.Access would be difficult.
There was rumblings that BAA wanted to take away 23,and use it for parking.With the starter strip requiring backtracks,and also vortex wake problems,then the gaps will have to be enormous.Thats because there are no high speed turnoffs on 16 either.Losing 23 would be a disaster for the movement rates,but then the BAA won't have to sort out that mess either.
I have had to hold Air France on the apron for nearly 30 mins,and try and find a place as to not completey jam the airport.''Pierre'' doesn't understand that there are empty stands,but he can't park there as they are domestic.With the growing number of flights(another 5% purely in the winter schedules) on top of the double digit growth figures,then this problem needs an urgent fix.Not 2007 or when the new bypass gets built.NOW
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I'm sure I heard that the farm beside the viewing area was bought by the speedbird Inn. The farmer wouldn't sell it to BAA.
The speedbird then rents it out to the farmer with the sheep. (Don.t quote me though).
Also the area south of flying club has the underground tank things for refilling fire engines of water. As well as the 34 ils protected area.
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The speedbird then rents it out to the farmer with the sheep. (Don.t quote me though).
Also the area south of flying club has the underground tank things for refilling fire engines of water. As well as the 34 ils protected area.
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Notice an article in the evening paper re the runway extension, with two people debating FOR and AGAINST.
Unsurprisingly (!), Andy Flower is extoling the virtues FOR the extension, but mentioned in his submission that Ryanair have been "encouraging" the City Council to come down in favour of the extension, so that they can operate flights to/from ABZ into Europe.
To me, that's the clearest indication yet the RYR will expand ops at Dyce as long as the runway extension proceeds.
Didn't read the debate against, was some Friends of The Earth bod.
So what has MOL's mob been doing to "encourage" the Council?
Thumbscrews?
Aberdeen Angus head in some Council Chief's bed? (makes a change from a horse).
MOL if you happen upon this, I WAS ONLY JOKING HONEST!
Unsurprisingly (!), Andy Flower is extoling the virtues FOR the extension, but mentioned in his submission that Ryanair have been "encouraging" the City Council to come down in favour of the extension, so that they can operate flights to/from ABZ into Europe.
To me, that's the clearest indication yet the RYR will expand ops at Dyce as long as the runway extension proceeds.
Didn't read the debate against, was some Friends of The Earth bod.
So what has MOL's mob been doing to "encourage" the Council?
Thumbscrews?
Aberdeen Angus head in some Council Chief's bed? (makes a change from a horse).
MOL if you happen upon this, I WAS ONLY JOKING HONEST!
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Some passenger numbers noticed on flights taken over the last day or two;
22nd Oct FR1842 Liverpool/Aberdeen had 165 passengers
24th Oct FR1847 Inverness/Liverpool had 35 passengers (Inbound Liverpool flight to Inverness brought in 131 passengers)
22nd Oct FR1842 Liverpool/Aberdeen had 165 passengers
24th Oct FR1847 Inverness/Liverpool had 35 passengers (Inbound Liverpool flight to Inverness brought in 131 passengers)
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The ABZ load looks good, but yield is the thing. Are RYR making money on the passengers paying next to nowt for their actual flight. Can't imagine every load is 165!
Outbound, would RYR not be restricted by the ABZ runway length? Getting a738 airborne out of here with 160-odd aboard would be quite a task, unless RYR have upgraded their engines. I suppose the winglets help, but not every RYR 738 has them - I saw both the DUB & LPL flight inbound recently. One had winglets, the other didn't.
LPL & DUB are quite close in terms of flying time from ABZ I would have thought.
Anyone here know what RYR are restricted to in terms of pax nos. out of ABZ with their 738's to both DUB & LPL (I assume they have to be at the moment)?
Outbound, would RYR not be restricted by the ABZ runway length? Getting a738 airborne out of here with 160-odd aboard would be quite a task, unless RYR have upgraded their engines. I suppose the winglets help, but not every RYR 738 has them - I saw both the DUB & LPL flight inbound recently. One had winglets, the other didn't.
LPL & DUB are quite close in terms of flying time from ABZ I would have thought.
Anyone here know what RYR are restricted to in terms of pax nos. out of ABZ with their 738's to both DUB & LPL (I assume they have to be at the moment)?
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No restrictions at all Richard.
Liverpool often get a full load out of ABZ. I would say 80%-100% most of the time.
Yes the 738 can be full out of ABZ as they only need to take on enough fuel to get as far as Liverpool.
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Liverpool often get a full load out of ABZ. I would say 80%-100% most of the time.
Yes the 738 can be full out of ABZ as they only need to take on enough fuel to get as far as Liverpool.
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Thanks gents yet again.
So at the mo, are RYR getting better loads on their DUB route, or their new LPL route?
Any way of telling on the two RYR routes whether most of the passenger traffic is being generated from here, or at the "away" end?
Could other domestic destinations benefit from some loco competition?
I know we have Baby coming onto the BHX route next week, could the likes of MAN, NWI, SOU for example see growth if a loco announced services? Or even NCL, MME or HUY (maybe that's stretching things, especially the last two!)
And what about the likes of AMS, CPH, Paris (not necessarily CDG!) with some loco competition. Feasible or unlikely?
See today a CAA survey of 14 airports showed ABZ as topping the list for the ratio of business travellers compared to overall passenger numbers. 56% of all passengers through ABZ were business travellers. Local rag said this was good news for the area, but does it not show that the local economy is still too dependant on the one industry - O I L? Fine when times (like now) are good, not so when, as we saw a few years ago, oil is in decline. I thought ABZ management wanted to promote ABZ as a destination for more leisure passengers, but I guess we'll always have the oil & gas industry as a fundamental part of ABZ & the local economy. We can't get away from it (& should we??)
So at the mo, are RYR getting better loads on their DUB route, or their new LPL route?
Any way of telling on the two RYR routes whether most of the passenger traffic is being generated from here, or at the "away" end?
Could other domestic destinations benefit from some loco competition?
I know we have Baby coming onto the BHX route next week, could the likes of MAN, NWI, SOU for example see growth if a loco announced services? Or even NCL, MME or HUY (maybe that's stretching things, especially the last two!)
And what about the likes of AMS, CPH, Paris (not necessarily CDG!) with some loco competition. Feasible or unlikely?
See today a CAA survey of 14 airports showed ABZ as topping the list for the ratio of business travellers compared to overall passenger numbers. 56% of all passengers through ABZ were business travellers. Local rag said this was good news for the area, but does it not show that the local economy is still too dependant on the one industry - O I L? Fine when times (like now) are good, not so when, as we saw a few years ago, oil is in decline. I thought ABZ management wanted to promote ABZ as a destination for more leisure passengers, but I guess we'll always have the oil & gas industry as a fundamental part of ABZ & the local economy. We can't get away from it (& should we??)
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On the two Fr routes Dublin is getting more pax, but liverpool isn't to far behind suprisingly.
I personally think (working at the airport) that there isn't much in it to the amount of inbound/outbound pax numbers.
There are days when less come in then go out or vice versa on each of the two flights. But you get that with any flight really don't you.
As for the other destinations with Loco carriers, anywhere you can go for next to nowt people will fly there. (Just my opinion)
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I personally think (working at the airport) that there isn't much in it to the amount of inbound/outbound pax numbers.
There are days when less come in then go out or vice versa on each of the two flights. But you get that with any flight really don't you.
As for the other destinations with Loco carriers, anywhere you can go for next to nowt people will fly there. (Just my opinion)
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Call me a sceptic but after giving GSM some thought I can't see them staying in ABZ past the summer of 2007. Sit and think of how many holiday destinations that they will be able to survive on during the winter months when you consider that the aircraft will need to fly 7 days a week and loads to the Med take a dip from the summer levels. I simply can't help but think that Aberdeen can't support a 737 during the winter unless GSM throw in some ski and city break destinations but even then it could be a struggle!!!
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GSM: Don't suppose anyone will know until nearer the time, when we might get an idea of how bookings are on the various routes. As I said before, GSM may find some routes will work, some may need "tweaking" & others won't work, assuming ABZ is like every other airport in the world where routes come & go! If GSM stick around for W07, then I could imagine one or two "ski" routes, something that ABZ has never been particularly well-blessed with. Think last regular ones were Swissair (MD80) in the 80s. Also maybe PRG & Berlin as "citybreak" destinations for GSM. I doubt they will pull out of ABZ without giving us a chance. Of course their first route actually starts next Fri, TFS, initially using a B738.
New routes from flyBE (EXT-LBA-ABZ) & bmi Baby (BHX) start today, BE644 just left for the return trip. WW due this evening.
Interesting to see the two BE DH8Ds arrive one after the other, & also ditto the RYR B738s - shape of things to come???
Local paper will have a feature on KLM this coming week, with their future plans for ABZ. Whether that means new routes or just better seat cushions remains to be seen! Or it could be ANOTHER try at a SVG route!!
New routes from flyBE (EXT-LBA-ABZ) & bmi Baby (BHX) start today, BE644 just left for the return trip. WW due this evening.
Interesting to see the two BE DH8Ds arrive one after the other, & also ditto the RYR B738s - shape of things to come???
Local paper will have a feature on KLM this coming week, with their future plans for ABZ. Whether that means new routes or just better seat cushions remains to be seen! Or it could be ANOTHER try at a SVG route!!
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I mean't surprisingly getting good loads so soon after starting that's all. 
Also Flybes' LBA/EXT had 50 odd pax on the flight back.
Also Baby had 80 odd booked for their maiden flight back to BHX.
Liverpool flight 150 odd pax returning to LPL. Still lookin good.
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Also Flybes' LBA/EXT had 50 odd pax on the flight back.
Also Baby had 80 odd booked for their maiden flight back to BHX.
Liverpool flight 150 odd pax returning to LPL. Still lookin good.
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WB,
Yields I looked at seemed low, but I'm sure there's more car rental income here than there might be at somewhere like EDI. Also, this is a very short sector, so might just squeeze in quite nicely with the other schedules and keep a/c usage rates high.
Occupancy levels and yields are both very key factors, but they aren't the be-all and end-all.
Yields I looked at seemed low, but I'm sure there's more car rental income here than there might be at somewhere like EDI. Also, this is a very short sector, so might just squeeze in quite nicely with the other schedules and keep a/c usage rates high.
Occupancy levels and yields are both very key factors, but they aren't the be-all and end-all.
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Just realised at work today that RyanAir don't run the DUB-ABZ-DUB flight on Tuesdays and Wednesdays now.
I just can't understand why they're canx the flights as Dub is very popular.
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I just can't understand why they're canx the flights as Dub is very popular.
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