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CAA Provisional Stats
Of course with October being the busiest month in 5 years the figures were going to make for pleasant reading.
Selected routes are below
Very strong figures on AMS,SVG,LHR,MAN,LGW
Heathrow / 60595/+0.8
Gatwick / 22697 / +14.6
Manchester / 17557 / +31.7 (I believe this is the route's best ever month!)
Luton / 10607 / -19.7
Birmingham / 8557 / +7.8
London City / 4721 / ---
Newcastle / 2750 / +57.8
Amsterdam / 26256 / +6.4
Stavanger / 16178 / +21.1
Frankfurt / 11511 / +3883.0
Paris / 9874 / -9.4
Copenhagen / 5042 / +32.8
Will be interesting to see how LHR holds up in Nov without BMR although capacity is unchanged or possibly increased.
LGW is a guaranteed decline.
Notice that the Heli's still posted up 7% despite the groundings
Selected routes are below
Very strong figures on AMS,SVG,LHR,MAN,LGW
Heathrow / 60595/+0.8
Gatwick / 22697 / +14.6
Manchester / 17557 / +31.7 (I believe this is the route's best ever month!)
Luton / 10607 / -19.7
Birmingham / 8557 / +7.8
London City / 4721 / ---
Newcastle / 2750 / +57.8
Amsterdam / 26256 / +6.4
Stavanger / 16178 / +21.1
Frankfurt / 11511 / +3883.0
Paris / 9874 / -9.4
Copenhagen / 5042 / +32.8
Will be interesting to see how LHR holds up in Nov without BMR although capacity is unchanged or possibly increased.
LGW is a guaranteed decline.
Notice that the Heli's still posted up 7% despite the groundings
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With SAS' financial position worsening by the minute and with rumours they could be gone by tomorrow, what would this spell for the SVG & CPH routes?
I could see Norwegian (DY) possibly taking on SVG with a 2x daily 737-300 - would a 737-800 be too large?
With CPH I can't really see any takers. Presumably the majority of pax are connecting rather than O&D.
Interesting (and concerning) times...
I could see Norwegian (DY) possibly taking on SVG with a 2x daily 737-300 - would a 737-800 be too large?
With CPH I can't really see any takers. Presumably the majority of pax are connecting rather than O&D.
Interesting (and concerning) times...
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SVG, CPH
I hope SAS continue in some form, but with this never-ending cycle of recession - some might call it depression - who knows?
Once upon a time I would have said Flybe - but they always promise more than they deliver up here & elsewhere. Nevertheless - SVG would tempt them I think. And if they do get their hands on the up-for-disposal Wideroe, it'll give them the perfect excuse to claim they are expanding operations at ABZ. Personally I hope they don't get their hands on Wideroe, but there is a commonality of type that would fit. But do Flybe have the cash?
bmiR would surely look at both should the routes become vacant. If SAS/Wideroe come off SVG, then bmiR would only have Eastern for company on SVG, who they appear to be targeting (eg. direct BRS route recently introduced); whilst CPH would be entirely vacant.
There's not a vast choice of airline with the right size of aircraft to cater for the ABZ market these days on business routes should one become vacant. RYR are completely frozen out of the picture at ABZ, & EZY don't seem to think ABZ is worth any further expansion, concentrating principally on EDI understandably. B738s & A319/20 are too big especially outwith peak rotations on the majority of ABZ business routes anyway - as AZAL found out trying to run BAKU GYD (interestingly I notice they have placed an order for E-jets now!).
OSL has been vacant - for how long now? Even Eastern have not returned to it. Maybe another for bmiR to try if they are looking to expand at ABZ & elsewhere.
Once upon a time I would have said Flybe - but they always promise more than they deliver up here & elsewhere. Nevertheless - SVG would tempt them I think. And if they do get their hands on the up-for-disposal Wideroe, it'll give them the perfect excuse to claim they are expanding operations at ABZ. Personally I hope they don't get their hands on Wideroe, but there is a commonality of type that would fit. But do Flybe have the cash?
bmiR would surely look at both should the routes become vacant. If SAS/Wideroe come off SVG, then bmiR would only have Eastern for company on SVG, who they appear to be targeting (eg. direct BRS route recently introduced); whilst CPH would be entirely vacant.
There's not a vast choice of airline with the right size of aircraft to cater for the ABZ market these days on business routes should one become vacant. RYR are completely frozen out of the picture at ABZ, & EZY don't seem to think ABZ is worth any further expansion, concentrating principally on EDI understandably. B738s & A319/20 are too big especially outwith peak rotations on the majority of ABZ business routes anyway - as AZAL found out trying to run BAKU GYD (interestingly I notice they have placed an order for E-jets now!).
OSL has been vacant - for how long now? Even Eastern have not returned to it. Maybe another for bmiR to try if they are looking to expand at ABZ & elsewhere.
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Looks like Virgin have won the ex-bmi slots, & ABZ will therefore see a competing LHR link next year:
BBC News - Virgin Atlantic offered Heathrow links to Edinburgh and Aberdeen
The question is, for short or long term?
BBC News - Virgin Atlantic offered Heathrow links to Edinburgh and Aberdeen
The question is, for short or long term?
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Like many of us, I hope Virgin are in it for the long term. They really need this service to connect with thier long haul network - like BMI/BMIR did for them. Where they might lose out to BA, is at LHR. I know some people dislike T5, but I think it's great! Straight off the plane, through flight connections and right into the departure lounge. Unless the Virgin domestic service is going to the same terminal as their international flights (is that T3? - I've lost track) then you've got the hassle of changing terminals and, of course, the prospect of having to queue for ages to go through security again. Maybe Virgin should look at operating through T4?. Perhaps they will when the central terminals have been redeveloped. Perhaps I should have posted this on the Heathrow page!
Like many of us, I hope Virgin are in it for the long term. They really need this service to connect with thier long haul network - like BMI/BMIR did for them. Where they might lose out to BA, is at LHR. I know some people dislike T5, but I think it's great! Straight off the plane, through flight connections and right into the departure lounge. Unless the Virgin domestic service is going to the same terminal as their international flights (is that T3? - I've lost track) then you've got the hassle of changing terminals and, of course, the prospect of having to queue for ages to go through security again. Maybe Virgin should look at operating through T4?. Perhaps they will when the central terminals have been redeveloped. Perhaps I should have posted this on the Heathrow page!
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Maybe Virgin should look at operating through T4?
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ABZ Business Park
Commercial Development | ABZ Business Park, Aberdeen | ABZ
They seem to be moving apace with this industrial estate springing up next to the airport - not been up that way for a while.
Does ABZ have a stake in the development or are the developers just taking the name?
Looking at the location, I'm surprised ABZ didn't think the land was required for further expansion of the airport itself to the south; eg. remote parking, freight ops etc - even the terminal/more stands. I thought it was something they had been looking at.
On the other hand, maybe they think from their models that they can cope with any expansion that comes along in the years ahead utilising the existing area?
If they do intend expanding to the south some time in the future maybe they still think they can, but looks like the area to expand into would be considerably reduced (narrowed).
They seem to be moving apace with this industrial estate springing up next to the airport - not been up that way for a while.
Does ABZ have a stake in the development or are the developers just taking the name?
Looking at the location, I'm surprised ABZ didn't think the land was required for further expansion of the airport itself to the south; eg. remote parking, freight ops etc - even the terminal/more stands. I thought it was something they had been looking at.
On the other hand, maybe they think from their models that they can cope with any expansion that comes along in the years ahead utilising the existing area?
If they do intend expanding to the south some time in the future maybe they still think they can, but looks like the area to expand into would be considerably reduced (narrowed).
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Judging from this press release on their website they certainly seem to have an interest in the park.
Aberdeen Airport: Airport City vision unveiled
Looking at the master plan it seems they have plans to extend the tunnel section that all the T3 props use.
Looks like they would also extend the main apron to the south of stand 1 quite significantly whilst factoring in the business park. However that's going into 2040. Up until 2020 at least, they're are no significant expansion plans
This can be found on the second last page of the PDF found here:
Aberdeen Airport: Master Plan
Aberdeen Airport: Airport City vision unveiled
Looking at the master plan it seems they have plans to extend the tunnel section that all the T3 props use.
Looks like they would also extend the main apron to the south of stand 1 quite significantly whilst factoring in the business park. However that's going into 2040. Up until 2020 at least, they're are no significant expansion plans
This can be found on the second last page of the PDF found here:
Aberdeen Airport: Master Plan
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Exclusive: Lufthansa update - Business Traveller
All in all, UK business remains healthy. Schindler was pleased that the relatively new Aberdeen to Frankfurt route was proving a hit. “Eighty per cent of the passengers flying out of Aberdeen are making onward connections over Frankfurt. The service is popular with the oil business. We have a selling point in that we operate the A380 between Frankfurt and Houston.”
Nice to see ABZ get another positive write up from DLH.
The winter schedule apparently sees an off-blocks time for FRA of 0535/0540! I wondered what that early jet was! Is that one of the earliest regularly scheduled flight departures in the UK presently?
All in all, UK business remains healthy. Schindler was pleased that the relatively new Aberdeen to Frankfurt route was proving a hit. “Eighty per cent of the passengers flying out of Aberdeen are making onward connections over Frankfurt. The service is popular with the oil business. We have a selling point in that we operate the A380 between Frankfurt and Houston.”
Nice to see ABZ get another positive write up from DLH.
The winter schedule apparently sees an off-blocks time for FRA of 0535/0540! I wondered what that early jet was! Is that one of the earliest regularly scheduled flight departures in the UK presently?
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Taking ungodly hours to the extreme I say 
I think LH dropped a hint they were looking to add an extra frequency or up gauge a/c for S13 a while ago. I wonder when their Summer schedule is released?
I think LH dropped a hint they were looking to add an extra frequency or up gauge a/c for S13 a while ago. I wonder when their Summer schedule is released?
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if the business park goes ahead any long term terminal changes will either have to be to the north or adding more storey's to the current building - they could move the helicopters over to the other side of the airport I guess - plenty of space there - especially if you can the flying club......
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The business park is well underway.
I do agree HH but judging from the master plan they only plan to increase the size of the ramp at this time with it being linked to the terminal by a walkway.
I do agree HH but judging from the master plan they only plan to increase the size of the ramp at this time with it being linked to the terminal by a walkway.
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Apparently, the Virgin domestic services will be operated by Avion Express
Virgin Atlantic to lease Avion Express aircraft for short-haul routes? - Business Traveller
No mention of Aberdeen in the article though!
Virgin Atlantic to lease Avion Express aircraft for short-haul routes? - Business Traveller
No mention of Aberdeen in the article though!
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Crap article, it even mentions GLA when VS don't have slots for them. 
The slots can only be used on EDI and ABZ so not sure where the article is getting that from.
Talking of VS what sort of frequency can we expect?
Theres only 7 slots available so not much: maybe 2-3 for ABZ (with 3 on the busiest days) and 4-5 for EDI?
The slots can only be used on EDI and ABZ so not sure where the article is getting that from.
Talking of VS what sort of frequency can we expect?
Theres only 7 slots available so not much: maybe 2-3 for ABZ (with 3 on the busiest days) and 4-5 for EDI?
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BBC News - Virgin to compete with BA's Scotland to Heathrow links
So, confirmed as 3x return flights at least during weekdays, but using Aer Lingus aircraft in Virgin livery, & their crews.
Is this enough to provide robust competition with, & a suitable alternative for, BA?
So, confirmed as 3x return flights at least during weekdays, but using Aer Lingus aircraft in Virgin livery, & their crews.
Is this enough to provide robust competition with, & a suitable alternative for, BA?
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Assuming they go with an early morning, mid morning and evening departure then I think they could give BA something to think about.
I wonder how many 'new' people are gong to use the service or is it just going to dilute figures on other services?
I'd like to think they'll be here for long term but I can just picture in 12 months SRB (assuming he's still on the go) coming out saying the routes are unprofitable and it's all because of big bad BA and the world's so unfair blah blah blah.
I wonder how many 'new' people are gong to use the service or is it just going to dilute figures on other services?
I'd like to think they'll be here for long term but I can just picture in 12 months SRB (assuming he's still on the go) coming out saying the routes are unprofitable and it's all because of big bad BA and the world's so unfair blah blah blah.
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MD Derek Provan was giving evidence at the Commons Transport Select Committee yesterday.
He bemoaned the lack of connectivity to LHR, so he thinks there is still room for expansion there...providing LHR get their future plans sorted out, if the politicians let them!
He also - again - highlighted APD as a continuing issue for this part of the world, suggesting they are struggling to attract further airlines to this region. Especially where the catchment area is circa 600k to start with.
That is why he has been pinning his hopes on the Aberdeen bypass to attract people to fly to/from ABZ if surface connections are better; presumably, principally, Tayside & Fife.
Interesting story today with Aberdeen Harbour looking at aggressive expansion plans into Nigg Bay to cater for growth & larger vessels. The sort of 'go ahead' plans you wish BAA/Ferrovial to bring forward for its facility.
He bemoaned the lack of connectivity to LHR, so he thinks there is still room for expansion there...providing LHR get their future plans sorted out, if the politicians let them!
He also - again - highlighted APD as a continuing issue for this part of the world, suggesting they are struggling to attract further airlines to this region. Especially where the catchment area is circa 600k to start with.
That is why he has been pinning his hopes on the Aberdeen bypass to attract people to fly to/from ABZ if surface connections are better; presumably, principally, Tayside & Fife.
Interesting story today with Aberdeen Harbour looking at aggressive expansion plans into Nigg Bay to cater for growth & larger vessels. The sort of 'go ahead' plans you wish BAA/Ferrovial to bring forward for its facility.
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