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When you take a look at Southampton, which is a BAA airport, you see that Aberdeen has had a bum deal in many respects. Southampton's route network puts Aberdeen's to shame. Perhaps one could safely assume that Aberdeen ranks at the bottom of the BAA UK Empire?
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ABZ has got 4 terminals,and 4 runways as well. 3 of each for helis.Oops forgot that helis don't count.
Perhaps better use of the stands is an option.There seems to be a lot of stands used by Eastflight jetstreams.They don't need steps and perhaps the C apron,or 01 might be more appropriate.Seems daft to have jets waiting for international stands,while they are taken by a/c that can self manoeuvre.Even extend the c apron or 01.Buy some busses.
The next jet that I have to hold for 25 mins is going on to 23 on the East side
Perhaps better use of the stands is an option.There seems to be a lot of stands used by Eastflight jetstreams.They don't need steps and perhaps the C apron,or 01 might be more appropriate.Seems daft to have jets waiting for international stands,while they are taken by a/c that can self manoeuvre.Even extend the c apron or 01.Buy some busses.
The next jet that I have to hold for 25 mins is going on to 23 on the East side
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I have been to Aberdeen many times, and the amount of aircraft that sit on stands for hours doing nothing amazes me. Especially the Flightline aircraft which sit amongst the Eastern a/c around stands 12 /13
Also there are a number of night freighters which could be moved during daylight hours from the new stands
I have been to Aberdeen many times, and the amount of aircraft that sit on stands for hours doing nothing amazes me. Especially the Flightline aircraft which sit amongst the Eastern a/c around stands 12 /13
Also there are a number of night freighters which could be moved during daylight hours from the new stands
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East apron can take a 757 as long as it's towed there.Probably got a stand (2 or 7)first then towed across.Wasn't there today,so I'm just guessing.Can't see a bunch of WWE wrestlers fitting in Signature mobile.
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Wellington,
The only night freighters live in the D apron (a Antonov),and in front of the tower(a pair of Shorts).The Flightlines can have no go days where the wx is too bad in the East Shetland Basin.They also sit around all weekend.However they live mainly on Stand 15 and 16 now.
It doesn't take much for chaos to ensue somedays.Bad slots,a few delays,the odd div in and breakdown and watch out.The maximum I have held waiting for stands is 4 at one time.We had to backtrack others to get them on other stands,which can cause go arounds.The other problem that holding causes the GMC controller,with massive problems especially getting helis in and out of their aprons.The BAA don't give a stuff.We now have LESS area to park than before,as new stands have to have room for vehicles.It still just the old concrete dug up and re-named.
I think if Mr Flower (Mang dir BAA ABZ)came up to ATC and did GMC on a really Sh
ty day it might open his eyes.Just watch it will be runway extension approved,mega smiles all round.Still waiting 30 mins for a stand.
The only night freighters live in the D apron (a Antonov),and in front of the tower(a pair of Shorts).The Flightlines can have no go days where the wx is too bad in the East Shetland Basin.They also sit around all weekend.However they live mainly on Stand 15 and 16 now.
It doesn't take much for chaos to ensue somedays.Bad slots,a few delays,the odd div in and breakdown and watch out.The maximum I have held waiting for stands is 4 at one time.We had to backtrack others to get them on other stands,which can cause go arounds.The other problem that holding causes the GMC controller,with massive problems especially getting helis in and out of their aprons.The BAA don't give a stuff.We now have LESS area to park than before,as new stands have to have room for vehicles.It still just the old concrete dug up and re-named.
I think if Mr Flower (Mang dir BAA ABZ)came up to ATC and did GMC on a really Sh
ty day it might open his eyes.Just watch it will be runway extension approved,mega smiles all round.Still waiting 30 mins for a stand.
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A few things that need sorting!
1. The problem of boarding and disembarking international flights at the same time, what a shambles.
2. Aircraft calling for push when they are not ready.
3. Aircraft taxying for departure too early for their slot and other aircraft having to wait for take off.
4. Crews having to clear customs when there are no customs in attendance.
5. Can ATC have the full departure clearance available prior to start, not having to wait for the squawk on taxy?
6. How about a dedicated clearance frequency at busy times?
ABZ ATC are second to none by the way! I know you must be undermanned and under resourced.
1. The problem of boarding and disembarking international flights at the same time, what a shambles.
2. Aircraft calling for push when they are not ready.
3. Aircraft taxying for departure too early for their slot and other aircraft having to wait for take off.
4. Crews having to clear customs when there are no customs in attendance.
5. Can ATC have the full departure clearance available prior to start, not having to wait for the squawk on taxy?
6. How about a dedicated clearance frequency at busy times?
ABZ ATC are second to none by the way! I know you must be undermanned and under resourced.
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Ultimately, shouldn't the BAA when it took control of ABZ in the 70s not have built its shiny new terminal on the east side of the airport, leaving the west side clear for future expansion? Plus the railway station at Dyce could also have been the stop for ABZ, it being...on the east side!
Heck, they could even have kept 23/05 (or 24/06 as it was) clear for fixed wings, instead of having a helicopter complex at the end of the line!
Or is that hindsight.
The 2 Shorts reminds me of the story about a Lady Controller here having a pilot slipping in behind her Shorts (that were on finals ahead of him). Can't be a true story...can it???
Heck, they could even have kept 23/05 (or 24/06 as it was) clear for fixed wings, instead of having a helicopter complex at the end of the line!
Or is that hindsight.
The 2 Shorts reminds me of the story about a Lady Controller here having a pilot slipping in behind her Shorts (that were on finals ahead of him). Can't be a true story...can it???
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Roach,
To try and answer some of your points.
1.Build a new International Terminal.Leave the existing one for Domestic.
2.We have a problem with some foreign airlines.Most GMC controllers know who they are and try to prevent it,if they have time.
3.You can depart within the slot minus 5 to plus 10 mins.Given 10 mins for start and taxi,I will tell the pilot to expect start 15 mins before slot.I will not give earlier start if it blocks the airport.Let them whinge don't care.
4.Nazis storm troopers.
5.We tried getting squawks from Scatcc in advance,but they complained that the Tay sector was drowning in strips.The squawk is only requested on start up,but can give the rest of it prior to start.
6.Yup agree with you there,but Nats management wouldn't.They think it's a sleepy little hollow,with a couple of jetrangers.They are only interested in places below Hadrians wall,and especially the London area.It's been like that since the Oil started.
I've always said that it's a tricky place to validate both Tower and Radar.Our management has destroyed terms and conditions,and moral over the last 15 years,and it is the lowest pay in Nats now.The job is just a difficult as ever and the place has always had a high turnover in staff.The Airport ATCOs ain't happy.
To try and answer some of your points.
1.Build a new International Terminal.Leave the existing one for Domestic.
2.We have a problem with some foreign airlines.Most GMC controllers know who they are and try to prevent it,if they have time.
3.You can depart within the slot minus 5 to plus 10 mins.Given 10 mins for start and taxi,I will tell the pilot to expect start 15 mins before slot.I will not give earlier start if it blocks the airport.Let them whinge don't care.
4.Nazis storm troopers.
5.We tried getting squawks from Scatcc in advance,but they complained that the Tay sector was drowning in strips.The squawk is only requested on start up,but can give the rest of it prior to start.
6.Yup agree with you there,but Nats management wouldn't.They think it's a sleepy little hollow,with a couple of jetrangers.They are only interested in places below Hadrians wall,and especially the London area.It's been like that since the Oil started.
I've always said that it's a tricky place to validate both Tower and Radar.Our management has destroyed terms and conditions,and moral over the last 15 years,and it is the lowest pay in Nats now.The job is just a difficult as ever and the place has always had a high turnover in staff.The Airport ATCOs ain't happy.
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RT,
Dyce station was closed just in time for the Oil Boom to start. Planning
The terminal was far too small when it opened in the 70's.I don't think the east side could have taken it.
Not sure about the Shorts story.I did hear about the lady controller who asked an aircraft what his speed was.190 kts was the reply.''Can you keep it up til 4 miles?''..............Certainly!!
Dyce station was closed just in time for the Oil Boom to start.
Planning The terminal was far too small when it opened in the 70's.I don't think the east side could have taken it.
Not sure about the Shorts story.I did hear about the lady controller who asked an aircraft what his speed was.190 kts was the reply.''Can you keep it up til 4 miles?''..............Certainly!!
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Confused?
So the Council Planning Committee recommended approval, but it appears when it came to the vote today that the runway extnsion has been passed to a meeting of the full Council next month. In other words, a deferral.
Or have they approved it, only to ask the full Council to rubber stamp their rubber stamp??
If there's ONE thing oor COONCIL is good at, it's :
P R O C R A S T I N A T I O N .
"Maer tea 'n' biscuits Bert, wiv anither meetin soon. Mine yer simmit it'll be caul".
Or have they approved it, only to ask the full Council to rubber stamp their rubber stamp??
If there's ONE thing oor COONCIL is good at, it's :
P R O C R A S T I N A T I O N .
"Maer tea 'n' biscuits Bert, wiv anither meetin soon. Mine yer simmit it'll be caul".
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Farce of the day.Air France on stand 4 pushes back but then goes tech and is pulled back on stand.Ryanair from Dublin re-allocated stand 1,the only one left available.Apron then advise that Immigration are preventing the Ryanair going on the stand,because they don't want passengers mixing with other ones.??!! 
Subsequent 4 aircraft land and are held behind for 15-20mins,burning the earths resources.Airport grinds to a complete halt.They then let the Ryanair on Stand 1 but won't let the pax off ??!!.This is an flight from another country not being allowed on an international stand.As usual ATC have to try and explain all this crap to the bewildered pilots.
It's about time that bunch of muppets in customs and immigration woke up and joined the EU.They are the rudest,most arrogant and ignorant bunch of that I have ever seen at any airport in the world.Especially if you arrive from Amsterdam.Total joke
Subsequent 4 aircraft land and are held behind for 15-20mins,burning the earths resources.Airport grinds to a complete halt.They then let the Ryanair on Stand 1 but won't let the pax off ??!!.This is an flight from another country not being allowed on an international stand.As usual ATC have to try and explain all this crap to the bewildered pilots.
It's about time that bunch of muppets in customs and immigration woke up and joined the EU.They are the rudest,most arrogant and ignorant bunch of
that I have ever seen at any airport in the world.Especially if you arrive from Amsterdam.Total joke
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CH3CH2OH
Arrived back from OSL the other night and not allowed to disembark as a KLM was also disembarking so sat in the aircraft until allowed off some minutes later and joined the immigration crew behind the cloggies.
I assume this was a segregation exercise for immigration as the ground toastie id'd the first Oslo pax to the immigration bods. How do they manage at other airports where pax may not turn up to immigration in flight order?
Plus side was that bags were on the belt by the time we had cleared immigration, first time I have seen this...
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I assume this was a segregation exercise for immigration as the ground toastie id'd the first Oslo pax to the immigration bods. How do they manage at other airports where pax may not turn up to immigration in flight order?
Plus side was that bags were on the belt by the time we had cleared immigration, first time I have seen this...
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yeah great to have your bags there for when you arrive at the carousel with everyone else, just hope your bag is still there and hasn't been nicked, by some reprebate off of the street.
I've always thought it strange that baggage reclaim is just inside the front doors!
I've always thought it strange that baggage reclaim is just inside the front doors!
I second Dyce's comments re customs at ABZ! Having recently arrived international, they make US immigration look positively friendly!
And I've always been curious as to why they need to wear gold bars on the shoulder, they are not ships Captains or Aviators, the only thing they steer is a rubbered hand up yer ar..
And I've always been curious as to why they need to wear gold bars on the shoulder, they are not ships Captains or Aviators, the only thing they steer is a rubbered hand up yer ar..
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Speaking of ar.. ses, I see Ryanair has slammed the decision to defer the runway extension application to the full council when they meet 13/12.
They speak of an unnecessary delay in their plans to launch a European route, which could potentially carry 100,000 pax (
).
Also the LPL route is restricted say the airline, max 176 pax on a 189-seater plane, due to the runway length.
Supposedly 12 new routes out of ABZ are waiting on the runway extension decision being approved (wonder who the airlines are if that's true).
See the oil price is going down again, so it may be all academic!!
Wonder what Donald Trump thinks of all this. If he sees the city council unable to decide on a runway extension, what chance the shire council approving his pitch & putt course at Menie?? (By the way does his 727 have it's own "spot" at ABZ? Might have to get a gold-plated one if his golf course becomes reality...
. I hear 23 might be available... )
ses, I see Ryanair has slammed the decision to defer the runway extension application to the full council when they meet 13/12.They speak of an unnecessary delay in their plans to launch a European route, which could potentially carry 100,000 pax (
).Also the LPL route is restricted say the airline, max 176 pax on a 189-seater plane, due to the runway length.
Supposedly 12 new routes out of ABZ are waiting on the runway extension decision being approved (wonder who the airlines are if that's true).
See the oil price is going down again, so it may be all academic!!
Wonder what Donald Trump thinks of all this. If he sees the city council unable to decide on a runway extension, what chance the shire council approving his pitch & putt course at Menie??
(By the way does his 727 have it's own "spot" at ABZ? Might have to get a gold-plated one if his golf course becomes reality... . I hear 23 might be available... )