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0523 Covman do you work at Coventry?
Unfortunately the airport is on a huge downhill siding scale, and its operations will have to start very small, and gradually build up to what it had in the
1990s, well before Thomsonfly set up business. Then the new operator may consider expansion, but unfortunately what airport would an airline choose? Birmingham or Coventry?
They need to plan carefully to which direction they want to take the airport, they need some income pretty fast to pay the bills but cant expect big things for quite some time yet.
Unfortunately the airport is on a huge downhill siding scale, and its operations will have to start very small, and gradually build up to what it had in the
1990s, well before Thomsonfly set up business. Then the new operator may consider expansion, but unfortunately what airport would an airline choose? Birmingham or Coventry?
They need to plan carefully to which direction they want to take the airport, they need some income pretty fast to pay the bills but cant expect big things for quite some time yet.
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Birmingham or Coventry.
If my experience of either flying from or dropping passengers off is anything to go by then its Coventry every time. Sure COV is never going to compete with BHX but I think Coventry can compliment BHX in the future,diverts etc. Hopefully some smaller or budget airlines could be handled by COV, who knows whats ahead in these difficult times but I hope all involved can agree if the deal goes through that its given a fair chance and petty squabbles and nimbyism are not allowed to rule the day.
As someone in the past who has complained to COV about being woken at 3.00am by a frequent night freight on route to Whitegate who cut the corner on a 05 takeoff I understand local opposition to aircraft noise if it was occuring all through the night. To be honest we get more sudden aircraft noise here from the Air Ambulance going to UHCW but do we complain.. No of course not its modern life.
As someone in the past who has complained to COV about being woken at 3.00am by a frequent night freight on route to Whitegate who cut the corner on a 05 takeoff I understand local opposition to aircraft noise if it was occuring all through the night. To be honest we get more sudden aircraft noise here from the Air Ambulance going to UHCW but do we complain.. No of course not its modern life.
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You surprise me I haven't heard about the Air Ambulance causing any complaints I guess they dont know the colours and engine note! I do have a question though,why is the radar still twirling at Cov is it being fed to Bhx?.
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Think it was very unfair for the way the two assistants where made redundant, they didnt get any help what so ever. Easier for controllers to get a job than it is for an assistant.
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Someone from the Council was just on CWR news,talking about this,unfortunately I missed the start of it,but it does sound as though ADP have pulled out.
He did mention something about another bidder who was involved in the negotiations,but wouldn't go into detail ''for obvious reasons'',apart from saying that talks were continuing and that the Council were looking at reopening the Airport as soon as poss.
He did mention something about another bidder who was involved in the negotiations,but wouldn't go into detail ''for obvious reasons'',apart from saying that talks were continuing and that the Council were looking at reopening the Airport as soon as poss.
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Windswept,
"Now i suppose we just have to await Jenny's reappearance and apologies"
Reappearing, no apologies required, and my hat appears to be still uneaten.
A shame, but not really a surprise, just not viable and ADP obviously not willing to accept the heavy losses that would be involved in running CVT.
"Now i suppose we just have to await Jenny's reappearance and apologies"
Reappearing, no apologies required, and my hat appears to be still uneaten.
A shame, but not really a surprise, just not viable and ADP obviously not willing to accept the heavy losses that would be involved in running CVT.
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Further to my earlier post,apparently the council had encouraged ADP to work in partnership with this other consortium,''who are Warwickshire based.''
Might know more earlier next week.
Might know more earlier next week.
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At least two well funded consortia have paid serious amounts of money to see the books and conduct due diligence.
Both have declined to proceed past this point and enter purchase negotiations having evaluated what they were shown and talked to prospective stakeholder airlines.
In the harsh economic climate in which aviation has to work today could a third, fourth or fifth bidder see some business opportunity the others have missed?
If the Local Authority and the Local Planning Authority had acted differently over the years, and if the recent operator had acted in what some might call a more professional manner maybe none of this would have happened. But it has.
Does it fall to me to point out the Naked King? I've always had a good experience when using Coventry, but nothing lasts for ever and I think unless the ground landlord gets real, real quick it's curtains.
I take absolutely no pleasure in writing this, but there is a cold harsh wind of reality which this corner of the Midlands has to now accept. If I win tonight's Euro Lottery I'd certainly consider an offer to purchase the runway and hangars though.
Sir George Cayley
Both have declined to proceed past this point and enter purchase negotiations having evaluated what they were shown and talked to prospective stakeholder airlines.
In the harsh economic climate in which aviation has to work today could a third, fourth or fifth bidder see some business opportunity the others have missed?
If the Local Authority and the Local Planning Authority had acted differently over the years, and if the recent operator had acted in what some might call a more professional manner maybe none of this would have happened. But it has.
Does it fall to me to point out the Naked King? I've always had a good experience when using Coventry, but nothing lasts for ever and I think unless the ground landlord gets real, real quick it's curtains.
I take absolutely no pleasure in writing this, but there is a cold harsh wind of reality which this corner of the Midlands has to now accept. If I win tonight's Euro Lottery I'd certainly consider an offer to purchase the runway and hangars though.
Sir George Cayley
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Unless someone does step in very quickly then this will be the end of CVT. ATC must nearly be out of ticket. What is going to happen to the ATC contract now? It makes you think that there must be something pretty bad for things to have gone like this......
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BBC News - Switzerland firm ADP pulls out of Coventry Airport deal
..If they could not see anyway of turning a profit with the business model they proposed then I doubt anyone else will.
Aviation won't pick up for at least another 12 months. It will need someone who can afford to subsidise the losses for at least that long and in CVT's case maybe longer.
..If they could not see anyway of turning a profit with the business model they proposed then I doubt anyone else will.
Aviation won't pick up for at least another 12 months. It will need someone who can afford to subsidise the losses for at least that long and in CVT's case maybe longer.
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cov man - as usual you have spouted off before thinking. Do you think im that stupid that i can't add. if you lose assistants you lose controllers. You don't have more staff than you need if you get rid of assistants it naturally follows that controllers must also go to downsize. So as i said 6-7 ASSISTANTS and 16 odd Controllers. Perhaps you should go and take some classes instead?
Controllers do indeed get jobs easier than assistants, without a doubt even in this climate. Controllers have measurable qualifications, licenses and ratings in different positions which is something they can prove with another employer. Assistants are all trained in house and only have qualifcations such as met ratings, RT license's and maybe general airport related qualifcations such as airside driving. Due to their lower position they also tend to be recruited locally, or internally when positions open hence companies don't advertise for them. Except for select units they don't get paid on a similar scale to controllers meaning they couldn't afford to move away from their current homes etc to go get jobs elsewhere.
Very sad news about ADP pulling out, i think that it will probably be the end of commercial operations and the airport will be bought perhaps by a consortium of flying schools to run it for themselves. With no serious buyer with commercial prospects it won't be a venture for Marshall and i should think they will throw in the towel and go elsewhere?
Controllers do indeed get jobs easier than assistants, without a doubt even in this climate. Controllers have measurable qualifications, licenses and ratings in different positions which is something they can prove with another employer. Assistants are all trained in house and only have qualifcations such as met ratings, RT license's and maybe general airport related qualifcations such as airside driving. Due to their lower position they also tend to be recruited locally, or internally when positions open hence companies don't advertise for them. Except for select units they don't get paid on a similar scale to controllers meaning they couldn't afford to move away from their current homes etc to go get jobs elsewhere.
Very sad news about ADP pulling out, i think that it will probably be the end of commercial operations and the airport will be bought perhaps by a consortium of flying schools to run it for themselves. With no serious buyer with commercial prospects it won't be a venture for Marshall and i should think they will throw in the towel and go elsewhere?
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a bit more news here. Interesting comment from John Haffenden.
Coventry Telegraph - News - Coventry News - Swiss buyers of Coventry Airport pull out
Coventry Telegraph - News - Coventry News - Swiss buyers of Coventry Airport pull out
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orget the £10 rent lets just make it a peppercorne rent of £1 for the next 5 years then maybe some one may just take it on ..........
and for those of you who have been slating ATC may be it wasn't the controllers but the company which employed them 11
and for those of you who have been slating ATC may be it wasn't the controllers but the company which employed them 11
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The licensed airfield requirement is going....
.... sometime between April and June this year.
When the 2009 ANO is enacted, there will be no requirment for a licensed airfield (Article 126) when conducting flying training. It will still remain a requirment for public transport flights.
The day this happens the flying clubs can re-open for training.
.... sometime between April and June this year.
When the 2009 ANO is enacted, there will be no requirment for a licensed airfield (Article 126) when conducting flying training. It will still remain a requirment for public transport flights.
The day this happens the flying clubs can re-open for training.
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I quite agree maybe marshalls should have asked what the guys working for them would take instead of trying to recuperate what it was going to cost them in redundancies!
as for the privious post of numbers of controllers I here that they were only looking at 10 or maybe 12 so makes you think that they were milking the system with WMIAL!
I quite agree maybe marshalls should have asked what the guys working for them would take instead of trying to recuperate what it was going to cost them in redundancies!
as for the privious post of numbers of controllers I here that they were only looking at 10 or maybe 12 so makes you think that they were milking the system with WMIAL!