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The GWY - WAT route is being closed because between Jan and May passengers numbers on the WAT - LTN route are up by 604 passengers and thats only the first 4 months. While passenger numbers on the GWY - LTN route continues to fall. It makes séance to have full aircraft operating from WAT - LTN daily as passenger numbers are up.
The WAT - LTN route is Aer Arann's busiest route.
The WAT - LTN route is Aer Arann's busiest route.
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The GWY - WAT route is being closed because between Jan and May passengers numbers on the WAT - LTN route are up by 604 passengers and thats only the first 4 months. While passenger numbers on the GWY - LTN route continues to fall. It makes séance to have full aircraft operating from WAT - LTN daily as passenger numbers are up.
The WAT - LTN route is Aer Arann's busiest route.
The WAT - LTN route is Aer Arann's busiest route.
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I wouldn't imagine there is a huge amount of future for Galway or Sligo. Both are too close to larger airports with longer runways to develop serious non-PSO business.
Donegal may be retained as a PSO as there's no rail service to Donegal.
Kerry and Knock are healthy enough without PSO, although Knock might well lose its Dublin service. I would imagine that Kerry-Dublin could support flights to Dublin without PSO. Air offers a significant time saving over road or rail and the numbers are OK. Whether it would still appeal to an airline with 189-seat aircraft is a different matter.
Donegal may be retained as a PSO as there's no rail service to Donegal.
Kerry and Knock are healthy enough without PSO, although Knock might well lose its Dublin service. I would imagine that Kerry-Dublin could support flights to Dublin without PSO. Air offers a significant time saving over road or rail and the numbers are OK. Whether it would still appeal to an airline with 189-seat aircraft is a different matter.
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How has Waterford Airport survied all this time?? They don't have any PSO funding.
Ryanair's Kerry - Dublin is not proforming very well at all. Some of the flights have less than 20% pax
The GWY - LTN route is down just under 2000 passengers for the first 5 months of the year.
Ryanair's Kerry - Dublin is not proforming very well at all. Some of the flights have less than 20% pax
The GWY - LTN route is down just under 2000 passengers for the first 5 months of the year.
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Unfortunately, the CSO don't provide data for internal flights.
However, remember that 20% of a Ryanair aircraft is still nearly 40 people. If that's a bad flight, an operator of ATR 72s or Q400s should be able to do something.
Waterford isn't as close to another airport (nearest is Cork 134km away) as Galway (Shannon at 79km and Knock at 81km). Also it's not as runway constrained. Finally, although Waterford is a smaller city than Galway, more generally the South-East is more densely populated than the West.
However, remember that 20% of a Ryanair aircraft is still nearly 40 people. If that's a bad flight, an operator of ATR 72s or Q400s should be able to do something.
Waterford isn't as close to another airport (nearest is Cork 134km away) as Galway (Shannon at 79km and Knock at 81km). Also it's not as runway constrained. Finally, although Waterford is a smaller city than Galway, more generally the South-East is more densely populated than the West.
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Subsidy Levels per passenger received by Regional Airports
Operating Subvention* - PSO Funding**
Operating Subvention* - PSO Funding**
Donegal - €13.00 €69
Galway - €8.75 - €45
Kerry - n/a - €33
Knock - €0.95 - €99
Sligo - n/a - €69
Waterford €16.55 ---
Galway - €8.75 - €45
Kerry - n/a - €33
Knock - €0.95 - €99
Sligo - n/a - €69
Waterford €16.55 ---
*estimated based on outbound passengers in the year to October 2009; **based on 2006 data
Waterford is the least State dependent airport in the country. The funding the airprot gets only repersents 8% of the total regional airports fundong.
Major economic report on Waterford Airport
Got to the link near the end of the page to view the figures
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..Waterford do not have a PSO....so can't have a cost per pax!!!
Are those figs above per One-Way or Return passenger??
PSO;s were setup to attract Airlines to run the service and contribite to the loss it woudl be making due to the low fares it would need to sell at in order to attract passengers. There is no point in running flights from Knock etc at €350 return - sure no-one would pay that. Now if the fare was €200 - well then there is some hope!!
The airport charges are not the major cost in running these routes - so a Loss of PSO and a fall in airport charges will not attract airlines onto a route.
Then what.....?? Will the Govt let Sligo and Donegal close down.....rent the airfield for sileage?? If there is no airline (if there is no PSO- there will be no airline)...there is no point in staying open !!! Doomsday scenario here...
Are those figs above per One-Way or Return passenger??
PSO;s were setup to attract Airlines to run the service and contribite to the loss it woudl be making due to the low fares it would need to sell at in order to attract passengers. There is no point in running flights from Knock etc at €350 return - sure no-one would pay that. Now if the fare was €200 - well then there is some hope!!
The airport charges are not the major cost in running these routes - so a Loss of PSO and a fall in airport charges will not attract airlines onto a route.
Then what.....?? Will the Govt let Sligo and Donegal close down.....rent the airfield for sileage?? If there is no airline (if there is no PSO- there will be no airline)...there is no point in staying open !!! Doomsday scenario here...
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Figures for departing passengers.
I know Waterford has no PSO but I was showing how an airport can surive with out the PSO as further up the page it was said how would GWY surrive without any PSO funding. If Waterford can then Galway can.
I know Waterford has no PSO but I was showing how an airport can surive with out the PSO as further up the page it was said how would GWY surrive without any PSO funding. If Waterford can then Galway can.
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Then what.....?? Will the Govt let Sligo and Donegal close down.....rent the airfield for sileage?? If there is no airline (if there is no PSO- there will be no airline)...there is no point in staying open !!! Doomsday scenario here...
However, the government will be only too aware that if any airport is to close eg Sligo Donegal then potentially there will be unemployment and lets say it is 100 staff then the commercial decision will be made on the basis of the cost of this unemployment v the cost of subsidising the airport to stay open.
It is fair to say that there Sligo closing would effect 2 flight per day out 2x ATR42/72 (in terms of traffic). Sligo has train link to Dublin. But as already mentioned Donegal does not hence it may be more justified to give Donegal route a grant etc. Having said all that both of these airports have reasonably significant opposition within driving distance, Ie Knock and City of Derry.
On a separate note, it has been fairly widely reported online etc that Dublin/Farranfore is one of FRs lowest load factor route of its network, the Question is would Ryanair axe this route when the PSO finishes and leave it for Aer Arann?
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I think Ryanair don't want to be in Kerry anymore and you can be sure the route will be axed next July.
During July FR had two weekly flights to FARO from Kerry but they were axed and Cork got them. This winter the FR aircraft which is based in Kerry is sitting doing nothing in Kerry as the Hahn route has been cut 4 weekly this winter. The aircraft is doing nothing between 8:30 and 14:00 and 16:15 - 20:00 every Tue - Thur - Sat. Luton is done from the UK base
During July FR had two weekly flights to FARO from Kerry but they were axed and Cork got them. This winter the FR aircraft which is based in Kerry is sitting doing nothing in Kerry as the Hahn route has been cut 4 weekly this winter. The aircraft is doing nothing between 8:30 and 14:00 and 16:15 - 20:00 every Tue - Thur - Sat. Luton is done from the UK base
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During July FR had two weekly flights to FARO from Kerry but they were axed and Cork got them.....
Kerry still have 2 x Faro flights til at least end of October.
The HHN for the Winter is as per the past 2 x Winters - better 4 full flights making money than 7 half empty flights losing money. If the demand is not there....makes sense all round. They might use the free mornings for other things - they done Grenoble with it in 2009!!
Kerry still have 2 x Faro flights til at least end of October.
The HHN for the Winter is as per the past 2 x Winters - better 4 full flights making money than 7 half empty flights losing money. If the demand is not there....makes sense all round. They might use the free mornings for other things - they done Grenoble with it in 2009!!
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Yes but Kerry had them from 1 November - 28 March and now they don't, Cork have them from 1 November - 28 March now
Ryanair have ski routes on sale since Firday and they are only operating ski routes from Dublin, Stansted, Gothenburg and Stocklom.
Ryanair have ski routes on sale since Firday and they are only operating ski routes from Dublin, Stansted, Gothenburg and Stocklom.
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yes..... but Kerry never was going to fill 2 x Weekly to Faro over the Winter. I reckon that was a Ryanair 'error' in loading same.....the Faro & Alicante are taking up the slack for the loss of the Falcon & Slattery Sun flights that have been successful in Kerry in the past.
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Also remember the Waterford subsidy is money direct to Waterford covering losses, The PSO is monies to the Airlines.....and that includes a whole host of costs that are not directy airport related. Knock is not getting €99 a pax in airport charges !!
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Kerry would of as Aer Lingus don't fly to Faro from ORK during the winter and SNN has lost Faro. People would go from Kerry insted of Dublin. Kerry would have the route but as EI don't operate it during the winter Ryanair are getting 100% discount as it still count's as a new route because EI are not operating it during the winter. It would still be from Kerry otherwise but until next March its cheeper to operate from Cork,