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An e-mail I received from Aer Arann. They have said that flights will begins from London Southend in March 2011 but they also said
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we cannot say at this stage that it will exclude London Luton
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All they said is that summer 2011 will have flights from Southend and they have made no decisions about the Luton routes.
Are they going to stay at 3 airports in London (Luton, London City as well as Southend) They would save money by only flying to one of them.
Are they going to stay at 3 airports in London (Luton, London City as well as Southend) They would save money by only flying to one of them.
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Are they going to stay at 3 airports on London (Luton, London City as well as Southend) They would save money by only flying to one of them.
In addition, it might seem like a good idea at the face of it to effectively force people in Galway and Waterford to fly to Southend instead of Luton, this could be a big invitation to other airlines to come on the market, ie Flybe and one or 2 others. OK Flybe dont have a base at LTN, GWY or WAT but they do fly to LTN and may see a value in doing a W over these routes.
I feel that Aer Arann should take there time in changing GWY and WAT flights over, perhaps do one at a time ie do GWY say and see how it goes.
What Aer Arann will need it clever marketing in the general area to punch with the locals that fact that flights are being offered from Southend. How do they target market the locals? Now may be a good time to offer draws in return for locals feedback asking which routes would you most like to see opened. Knock airport to mind were effective across ther region in marketing their potential customers. The bigger challenge for Aer Arann will be marketing the customer in the foreign markets. The brand is not well known in say continental Europe and they will have limited funds to market the airline in these markets.
Good luck to them all the same!
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I feel that Aer Arann should take there time in changing GWY and WAT flights over, perhaps do one at a time ie do GWY say and see how it goes.
One all most certain route from Southend will be SNN and maybe Sligo or Donegal.
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As a regular on the Luton route myself, if its hello Southend bye bye LTN, it will be hello LHR/LGW-ORK/DUB for my trips home. Luton ain't the worlds greatest but at least its an easy-ish place to access from many points in London. I've had a look at what the Southend Airport website says about public transport and frankly its just too much of a trek out there for my liking.
I wish them the best of luck if they do begin Southend-Europe/freighter flights etc, but for the sake of the loyal pax who have kept with RE through good times and bad, please leave the Luton routes alone!
I wish them the best of luck if they do begin Southend-Europe/freighter flights etc, but for the sake of the loyal pax who have kept with RE through good times and bad, please leave the Luton routes alone!
It may sound surprising coming from me, but I agree that RE should be cautious in transferring their existing GWY-LTN and WAT-LTN services to SEN immediately they establish operations there.
The new SEN terminal, which will allow very rapid transit from aircraft to train, won't open until late Summer in my view, although I'm told Stobart are aiming for earlier than that. Therefore, I would have thought it a better idea that RE should begin new routes from SEN in March, whether they be to Ireland or near European destinations, with consideration being given to transferring the existing LTN routes there no earlier than in the Autumn.
I don't see any serious financial disadvantages to RE in operating to LTN, LCY and SEN, at least in the short term. It all depends, of course, on the terms of the Stobart deal with RE and how much influence it gives them in terms of route network from SEN. No doubt Stobarts would like to see the LTN routes transferred to SEN at the earliest opportunity, but one would hope they might see the mutual long term interest in not doing so precipitously. After all, if traffic did fall off on the GWY and WAT services after transfer to SEN that would not be in their interests as far as the credibility of SEN as a 'new' London destination is concerned.
The new SEN terminal, which will allow very rapid transit from aircraft to train, won't open until late Summer in my view, although I'm told Stobart are aiming for earlier than that. Therefore, I would have thought it a better idea that RE should begin new routes from SEN in March, whether they be to Ireland or near European destinations, with consideration being given to transferring the existing LTN routes there no earlier than in the Autumn.
I don't see any serious financial disadvantages to RE in operating to LTN, LCY and SEN, at least in the short term. It all depends, of course, on the terms of the Stobart deal with RE and how much influence it gives them in terms of route network from SEN. No doubt Stobarts would like to see the LTN routes transferred to SEN at the earliest opportunity, but one would hope they might see the mutual long term interest in not doing so precipitously. After all, if traffic did fall off on the GWY and WAT services after transfer to SEN that would not be in their interests as far as the credibility of SEN as a 'new' London destination is concerned.
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I personally think RE would be mad to drop the Luton routes.
They could operate Southend, Luton and City.
Luton and Southend are not close to each other, they are therefore going to attract different markets. I said this in an earlier post. Southend is well east of London and would be great for east london, Essex, Kent areas. Whereas Luton is North of london good for North London, North Essex, Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire.
Ryanair operates from luton, Stansted and Gatwick- Luton & Stansted are much closer to each other than Luton and Southend. Hence why Southend should be viewed as expansion into new markets rather than shutting off one market to open another..
Southend could offer different routes - maybe to Cork/Dublin and keep Waterford and Galway from Luton.
As for advertising - over here Jet2 have their livery painted on a fair number of trucks... maybe Eddie Stobart will paint a few of the fleet with Aer Arann adverts?
They could operate Southend, Luton and City.
Luton and Southend are not close to each other, they are therefore going to attract different markets. I said this in an earlier post. Southend is well east of London and would be great for east london, Essex, Kent areas. Whereas Luton is North of london good for North London, North Essex, Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire.
Ryanair operates from luton, Stansted and Gatwick- Luton & Stansted are much closer to each other than Luton and Southend. Hence why Southend should be viewed as expansion into new markets rather than shutting off one market to open another..
Southend could offer different routes - maybe to Cork/Dublin and keep Waterford and Galway from Luton.
As for advertising - over here Jet2 have their livery painted on a fair number of trucks... maybe Eddie Stobart will paint a few of the fleet with Aer Arann adverts?
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Anyone who knows the Irish Market in the UK will know why its gotta be LTN not SEN. The Irish helped build the big railways in the 19thc which is why theres enormous Irish populations in North London in places like Kilburn. Not too many Irish vFR's within 50 miles of SEN - they are Eastern Europeans not GWY men from the West
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National Rail Enquiries - Station Facilities for Southend Airport
airport rail station opens dec 2010
airport rail station opens dec 2010
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Forgive me if i'm wrong but isnt Aer arann an Irish airline?
If i'm correct why would they move from an airport that their customers are obviously happy with to an airport that is untested and offers zero connections?
Is the answer because Mr Lorry company owner has bought said airport, and now owns the Irish airline and wants to play with his toys?
If i'm correct why would they move from an airport that their customers are obviously happy with to an airport that is untested and offers zero connections?
Is the answer because Mr Lorry company owner has bought said airport, and now owns the Irish airline and wants to play with his toys?
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IF it was true that Stobart "now owns the Irish airline..." you might have had a point but, as usual you are off the mark.
Stobart will be very much a minority shareholder in the post-Examinership Aer Arann so one would not expect them to be able to greatly influence any decision on transferring the LTN routes to SEN.
IF it was true that Stobart "now owns the Irish airline..." you might have had a point but, as usual you are off the mark.
Stobart will be very much a minority shareholder in the post-Examinership Aer Arann so one would not expect them to be able to greatly influence any decision on transferring the LTN routes to SEN.
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Is the answer because Mr Lorry company owner has bought said airport, and now owns the Irish airline and wants to play with his toys?
Perhaps SEN's future is far rosier than you think. Those enroute connections I assume you talk about, may well be there in the not too distant future.
If its Rail connections, Southend is very well connected to London. Not just by the line its on, but it also has a second line into London.
Lets wait and see what happens with the LTN and SEN ops....
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If and when Crossrail gets built, will the trains that serve Southend Airport use it? I can see quite an advantage to being able to offer a direct rail service to a number of stations in Central London.
The Crossrail eastern terminus will be Shenfield which is on the Liverpool Street line 30 minutes from SEN (or SIA as the station is designated by Network Rail). That will enable a very extensive connecting rail network to/from SEN with just one change of train.
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Crossrail
The only problem there is will Crossrail ever be built? We are about to find out if the government is about to pull the financial plug! Hope it is built though.
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EI-SLN has come out of maintenance with a white colour scheme so not sure if it is going to Aer Arann yet. I would have assumed it would have at least got the cheap green EI-SLL scheme if it was going to Aer Arann. The registration is listed on Aer Arann paperwork but that was before the examinership.
Have heard that 2 more aircraft are on the way as part of the new investment. Should be announced by the end of the week.
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Have heard that 2 more aircraft are on the way as part of the new investment. Should be announced by the end of the week.
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More detail from Aer Arann examinership plan in todays Irish Times:
AIRLINE'S MAIN DEBTS:
AIB – €5.2 million
Aer Lingus – €3.75 million
Galway Airport – €2.2 million
Dublin Airport Authority – €1.9 million
Self-funded pilots creditors – €1.1 million
Revenue Commissioners – €1.1 million
Sky Handling Partners – €428,678
UK departure tax – €389,568
Waterford Airport – €329,055
Creditors set to get €2.2m from Aer Arann's new investors
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...281543796.html
AIRLINE'S MAIN DEBTS:
AIB – €5.2 million
Aer Lingus – €3.75 million
Galway Airport – €2.2 million
Dublin Airport Authority – €1.9 million
Self-funded pilots creditors – €1.1 million
Revenue Commissioners – €1.1 million
Sky Handling Partners – €428,678
UK departure tax – €389,568
Waterford Airport – €329,055
Creditors set to get €2.2m from Aer Arann's new investors
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...281543796.html
