Aer Arann

[idlejack]

Football flights

Footy flights announced today on Aer Arann website

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[remoak]

G-TBIC is owned by Nex (more correctly Nex Aviation Aircrafts Ltd I think), as you say has been in storage as Nex have no AOC and so far haven't managed to get another 146 operator to cover for them.

I just find it hard to understand why, if Aer Arann put the 146 on their AOC, they need Nex. 146's are cheap and plentiful right now, and Nex have no crews or engineers... so why?

[The 5Q]

The only thing I can think of is that Nex are part funding this ?, or Aer Arann are getting a no strings attached deal where they can drop the 146 back to Nex if it does not work out.

5Q

[IOMspotter]

146 for LCY

[dochealth]

RE Load factors

Friday night's Dub - GWY had 8 passengers( ATR 42). Airport sources say this is now the norm...

Anyone know how load factors are on other routes?

DH

[airnoc]

Aer Arran

re load factor on galway/dub on friday night is more waste of taxpayers money
time to cut this route

[DeA320]

RE 146

Arann were advertising for two 146 engineers on their web site about 2 months ago for a years contract. We'll wait and see what happens.

The flights for the matches are a good idea as long as the price is right though.

At least they are trying.

[sawtooth]

RE Load Factors

"Friday night's Dub - GWY had 8 passengers( ATR 42). "

Not surprising with the opening of the M6, Citylink direct coach services, Irish Rail launching extra trains and cheap online fares and general cutbacks in business spending. 4x daily is probably too much now, morning and evening services are the key for business travel and connectivity so some of the mid-day flights could be dropped.

[840]

How many flights per day are required by the PSO contract?

I doubt it's 4 per day.

[liffy2A]

The PSO routes out of Galway is only 2 return flights per day. The other two are on Aer Aranns own accord. The late Dublin Galway flight is more of a postioning flight than anything else. The route has taken a beating this year with the recession, improved N6 and great bus services available. This can be seen as a waste of money but PSO route are funded from the EU not directly from the Irish tax payer. PSO routes are paided for all over Europe. France Spain and Italy have 10 times more PSO routes and I can not see the public in these countries calling for them to be axed any time soon.

[Sikpupi]

.....NO NO I think you will find that the PSO is IRISH taxpayer money. Only need EU sanctioning but not costing the EU in any way.

Thats my thinking on it. Otherwise..it wouldn't have made the Bord Snip 'shopping list'.

As for loads......I suspect you could give away flights at the moment but people wont travel. They don't have a bob to spend at the other end!!

Hard Times, Hard Times..come around no more!!

Sikky

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by liffy2A

PSO route are funded from the EU not directly from the Irish tax payer.

No, I'm afraid not. sikpupi is quite right. The EU has to approve the establishment of a PSO route and there is a standard process for tenders etc., but the money comes from the domestic budget, i.e. the hard-pressed Irish tax payer.

[The Flying Cokeman]

Cyrano, Airnoc etc,


While giving out about Irish taxpayers money going to PSO routes because of EU. Let's not forget how much money that has been pumped into Ireland by EU for various projects and infrastructure the last many years and still coming.

A good example is those 2400 workers from Dell who got laid off recently in Shannon- they have just today received a total of 14.8 mio Euros in order to help them finding a new job. It is not always a bad thing being a member of the EU.........

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by The Flying Cokeman

Cyrano, Airnoc etc,


While giving out about Irish taxpayers money going to PSO routes because of EU. Let's not forget how much money that has been pumped into Ireland by EU for various projects and infrastructure the last many years and still coming.

A good example is those 2400 workers from Dell who got laid off recently in Shannon- they have just today received a total of 14.8 mio Euros in order to help them finding a new job. It is not always a bad thing being a member of the EU.........

Flying Cokeman, you seem to have not so much got the wrong end of the stick as the wrong end of a completely different stick!

I am not "giving out" about the EU. On the contrary, I am simply making the point (correcting a previous poster's assertion to the contrary) that the PSOs are funded from domestic budgets, not from EU funds.

Nor am I suggesting that it's "because of the EU" that the Irish taxpayer is funding PSOs. National governments decide they want to impose PSOs and they then have to follow an EU-imposed tendering process, as they would for any big public procurement project. Whatever about the pros and cons of the government decision, it seems sensible to me that the procurement process be as transparent as possible.

(Do I think that the GWY-DUB PSO route should be cut? Yes, absolutely, I think that whatever the merits of a PSO on this route in the past, the greatly improved road and rail infrastructure has by now removed the justification for subsidising the air link. But that's nothing to do with the EU, but rather a domestic Irish political decision.)

And of course the country has benefitted massively from EU money over the years - Dell this week is a trivial example compared to the level of structural and cohesion funds which Ireland has received. How on earth can you make out that I suggest it's a bad thing being a member of the EU?

[westireland]

Aer Arann and Munster Rugby

From today's Examiner:

http://www.examiner.ie/breakingnews/business/aer-arann-becom e-official-airline-to-munster-rugby-428093.html

Aer Arann become official airline to Munster Rugby
Monday, September 28, 2009 - 01:40 PM

Aer Arann has teamed up with Munster Rugby to become the official airline to the Munster team in a new sponsorship agreement.
Aer Arann Corporate Affairs Director, Andrew Kelly, said: "We are proud to become the official airline of Munster Rugby. We have a strong presence in Munster with bases in Cork and Waterford and we see this as a natural development of what is already a strong relationship with the team and Munster fans."
Garrett Fitzgerald, CEO Munster Rugby added: "Aer Arann has been delivering Munster Rugby to destinations home and abroad for years. Its efficiency and flexibility has proved essential in transporting the squad as effortlessly as possible to their various match destinations and back.
Just as importantly, Munster rugby supporters have also been able to lend their support thanks to the service provided by Aer Arann.
"We believe that Munster and Aer Arann share the same values. We passionately believe in what we do. We remain true to ourselves and our support base. We know we have to punch well above our weight to stay ahead in a fiercely competitive European market."

[irish lad]

RE and Donegal

Does anyone think an aer arann route from Donegal to london could work?
Considering FR have slashed flights from Derry to London, it would seem even in these tougher times that there is still a lack of capacity from the north west to london.
And they would have no fear of direct competition from FR..

Just a tought....

[CCR]

Seems a good idea since the fly to London from several other regional airports around Ireland

[EI-BUD]

Does anyone think an aer arann route from Donegal to london could work?

Once upon a time when Ryanair's mission was to be the airline that flew to London from every airport in Ireland they did Donegal to London Luton, some of the flights stopped at Sligo, I dont know how the loads were, but i still have some of the timetables kicking about somewhere.

They also used an ATR 42.

Would be a nice development.

[danielmellor]

I think your wrong.
I wrote from Donegal to London wouldnt work
Not with the fares Aer Arann Charge on there waterford/Galway to Luton route

Ryanair from derry to luton, Much Cheaper and I Much Better plane

[airnoc]

Aer Arran

Donegal to London would work three times a week late evening or early morning.