Aer Arann
I recently heard a rumour that the SEN-DUB route would be operated by a DUB based aircraft to improve morning timings into SEN. Presumably this would result in the "SEN base closing", as that is the only RE aircraft currently SEN based.
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Are the -500s not capital leased (secured borrowed money, if I've got the term wrong) rather than leased in a returnable manner?
I was really hoping the Air Contractors -200s would be out the door first.
If the existing -500s are returnable I could see them using these to replace all the existing 72s seeing as the 42s have had an interior refit and make more sense for the PSO routes and so on.
Some fleet expansion (e.g. replacing the 500s and the Air Contractors birds but keeping the 42s and the EI-REx 200s) could be useful as there's plenty of other regional airports in the UK that EI could use for TA feed. </stops dreaming>
I was really hoping the Air Contractors -200s would be out the door first.
If the existing -500s are returnable I could see them using these to replace all the existing 72s seeing as the 42s have had an interior refit and make more sense for the PSO routes and so on.
Some fleet expansion (e.g. replacing the 500s and the Air Contractors birds but keeping the 42s and the EI-REx 200s) could be useful as there's plenty of other regional airports in the UK that EI could use for TA feed. </stops dreaming>
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ch-aviation report today that Aer Arann's order for eight ATR-72-600s has been finalised with the manufacturer. No details are given for delivery dates.
Incidentally, I notice that ch-aviation shows SEN as having a runway of
1,605 m / 5,266 ft length. Several websites have failed to pick up on the extension to 1,856m. Surely SEN should be scouring all websites to ensure they have the latest information....?
Unless Stobart see the acquisition of RE as being directly beneficial to their other aviation assets I struggle to see the sense of their considerable investment in the airline and its fleet renewal. In reality this means it being of benefit to SEN, as CAX is still some way from being an operational asset.
It will be interesting to see if any upcoming statement clarifies their intentions.
It will be interesting to see if any upcoming statement clarifies their intentions.
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Agreed re. Aer Arann purchase. It's a strange one; I hope they haven't become intoxicated with the airline business. It's so easy to get sucked in and the result is almost always financially negative (!). But Stobart seem to have been so sober and realistic up to now - unless they are thinking of new routes from SEN (such as Edinburgh, Brussels or Copenhagen) I can't see the point of it.....
Don't you agree that SEN should check leading aviation websites to make sure they have the correct details? It's surprising how many lazy professionals will just look at generic websites before viewing the specific airport website, by which time they've discounted the airport because of its short runway length. Maybe such folk are more rigorous than in my day, but I doubt it....
Don't you agree that SEN should check leading aviation websites to make sure they have the correct details? It's surprising how many lazy professionals will just look at generic websites before viewing the specific airport website, by which time they've discounted the airport because of its short runway length. Maybe such folk are more rigorous than in my day, but I doubt it....
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I don't think any of the routes you suggested would be likely candidates to be honest. I believe they should be looking at secondary cities within Europe as destinations in view of the equipment they would be operating and existing competition on other routes.
It would be nice if all commercial databases were up to date but some are bound to be missed. The best thing is to notify SEN direct if you find anything like that so that they can take the appropriate action.
I don't think any of the routes you suggested would be likely candidates to be honest. I believe they should be looking at secondary cities within Europe as destinations in view of the equipment they would be operating and existing competition on other routes.
It would be nice if all commercial databases were up to date but some are bound to be missed. The best thing is to notify SEN direct if you find anything like that so that they can take the appropriate action.
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Aer Arann aircraft ownership
Re: a previous comment above about the cost of leasing aircraft to Aer Arann..
According to a few sources, last updated 29 Jan 2013 Aer Arann currently use the following aircraft
EI-EHH ATR42
EI-REI ATR72-201
EI-REH ATR72-201
EI-REL - ATR72-212A
EI-REM - ATR72-212A
EI-REO - ATR72-212A
EI-REP - ATR72-212A
All of these aircraft are listed as owned by COMHFHORBAIRT (GAILLIMH) which trades as Aer Arann.
It would therefore be interesting to learn if Stobart Air have now taken over Aer Arann, what exactly do they own, e.g. did they buy COMHFHORBAIRT (GAILLIMH) and those aircraft etc on the books.
This leaves
EI-BYO - leased from Nordic Aviation Capital
EI-CBK
EL-SLL - Air Contractors
EL-SLN - Air Contractors
I could understand the leases on the aircraft from Nordic & Air Contractors being higher than an effectively 'in house' leasing arrangement between COMHFHORBAIRT (GAILLIMH) and Aer Arann..
If the ATR72-212A's are indeed the first ones to be replaced, that either suggests that Stobart no longer want to exercise the leases with COMHFHORBAIRT (GAILLIMH) for them, so that this company may lease them to other airlines,
or
Stobart in their takeover of Aer Arann now own COMHFHORBAIRT (GAILLIMH) and therefore own the aircraft and wish to sell them as part financing of the newer aircraft
or
the aircraft are staying, that the new ATR72-600s are actually capacity increases rather than like for like replacements, or just replacing the aircraft on leases from Air Contractors and Nordic Capital.
I don't know any answers to any of this, however I thought it was worthwhile adding this bit of research to the debate. It will therefore be interesting to see exactly what Stobart have planned for Aer Arann, exactly what they own i.e which bits of the Aer Arann business did they ultimately purchase to give them the operating rights of the airline. As with many businesses, Aer Arann was a sum of a number of operating companies from what I could determine, and that was highlighted in the examinership process previously as a number of companies were listed as going through that process.
Sources; Aircraft Register Owner Search | Flying In Ireland Magazine)
RegoSearch | EI-REP Irish Aircraft Registration Details
RegoSearch | EI-BYO Irish Aircraft Registration Details
According to a few sources, last updated 29 Jan 2013 Aer Arann currently use the following aircraft
EI-EHH ATR42
EI-REI ATR72-201
EI-REH ATR72-201
EI-REL - ATR72-212A
EI-REM - ATR72-212A
EI-REO - ATR72-212A
EI-REP - ATR72-212A
All of these aircraft are listed as owned by COMHFHORBAIRT (GAILLIMH) which trades as Aer Arann.
It would therefore be interesting to learn if Stobart Air have now taken over Aer Arann, what exactly do they own, e.g. did they buy COMHFHORBAIRT (GAILLIMH) and those aircraft etc on the books.
This leaves
EI-BYO - leased from Nordic Aviation Capital
EI-CBK
EL-SLL - Air Contractors
EL-SLN - Air Contractors
I could understand the leases on the aircraft from Nordic & Air Contractors being higher than an effectively 'in house' leasing arrangement between COMHFHORBAIRT (GAILLIMH) and Aer Arann..
If the ATR72-212A's are indeed the first ones to be replaced, that either suggests that Stobart no longer want to exercise the leases with COMHFHORBAIRT (GAILLIMH) for them, so that this company may lease them to other airlines,
or
Stobart in their takeover of Aer Arann now own COMHFHORBAIRT (GAILLIMH) and therefore own the aircraft and wish to sell them as part financing of the newer aircraft
or
the aircraft are staying, that the new ATR72-600s are actually capacity increases rather than like for like replacements, or just replacing the aircraft on leases from Air Contractors and Nordic Capital.
I don't know any answers to any of this, however I thought it was worthwhile adding this bit of research to the debate. It will therefore be interesting to see exactly what Stobart have planned for Aer Arann, exactly what they own i.e which bits of the Aer Arann business did they ultimately purchase to give them the operating rights of the airline. As with many businesses, Aer Arann was a sum of a number of operating companies from what I could determine, and that was highlighted in the examinership process previously as a number of companies were listed as going through that process.
Sources; Aircraft Register Owner Search | Flying In Ireland Magazine)
RegoSearch | EI-REP Irish Aircraft Registration Details
RegoSearch | EI-BYO Irish Aircraft Registration Details
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Indeed thank you however i said the same in my opening remark. Therefore the question remains as to what wss purchased by Stobart. Does the Comfortheit (spelling) Gallimhe company still exist or did Everdeal the company which owned RE after examinership vomplwtely take over. In which case the former would have been liquidised and i dont recall anything about that
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I see from the Aer Lingus results that Aer Lingus and Stobarts and some other partner have agreed to purchase new aircraft and lease them to Aer Arann on commercial rates - I presume these are the 600s. mentioned by other posters. Good to see a refleeting and getting rid of the 42s but not sure Aer Arann can afford these new aircraft on commercial rates as according to management the company is still loss making...Is there something I am missing 
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Indeed,
EI & Stobart are funding the new ATR 72-600s. EI have 33% share in a company which will provide the funding for the aircraft and be leased to RE.
In latest news, RE are set to keep REL,REM,REO & REP. The 8 600s will replace the older aircraft. I believe this was circulated internally to staff over the last few days.
The first airplane is scheduled to Arrive in April.
EI & Stobart are funding the new ATR 72-600s. EI have 33% share in a company which will provide the funding for the aircraft and be leased to RE.
In latest news, RE are set to keep REL,REM,REO & REP. The 8 600s will replace the older aircraft. I believe this was circulated internally to staff over the last few days.
The first airplane is scheduled to Arrive in April.
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By my reckoning that grows their fleet by 1. Does anyone know what seat configuration they have been ordered with? I guess having 72 would make it simple to switch aircraft around.
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The different stories you hear about the fleet suggests they change plans from minute to minute.
"Jack1985" I would be surprised if 80RPilot reveals his/her sources
But it would make sense, sharing of the risk between EI and Stobart.
"Jack1985" I would be surprised if 80RPilot reveals his/her sources
But it would make sense, sharing of the risk between EI and Stobart.
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