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FR1182/1183
What's happening with FR1182/3 SNN-LGW-SNN during September and October? I've got a few tickets booked and timings are changing (and not that consistently) throughout the above period before (apparently) settling down again from November to the usual midday rotation. Nice to have a few evening departures for a change though!
What's happening with FR1182/3 SNN-LGW-SNN during September and October? I've got a few tickets booked and timings are changing (and not that consistently) throughout the above period before (apparently) settling down again from November to the usual midday rotation. Nice to have a few evening departures for a change though!
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The B787 is overnighting in Shannon on thursday night and leaving friday around lunch time if anyone is interested.
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MD sorry, yeah your right, just realised now that i put the wrong day down for the date. its the 19th it overnights departing the 20th, got my days n dates mixed which now means i have a wedding on saturday and not friday as planned. 
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is this confirmed? this now takes the SNN base into question. If you let base airports operate;
Lanzarote -> Shannon
Liverpool -> Shannon
London (Stansted) -> Shannon
Mαlaga -> Shannon
Tenerife -> Shannon
Wroclaw -> Shannon
Other routes to LGW, NTE, PMI would be dropped and if the above post is true also FUE and LPA. I dont see how FR could justify basing a 738 to operate from SNN to non-base airports of LGW, NTE, PMI. Could be far off but if i was Ryanair's Irish operations Manager SNN base would be closed.
Lanzarote -> Shannon
Liverpool -> Shannon
London (Stansted) -> Shannon
Mαlaga -> Shannon
Tenerife -> Shannon
Wroclaw -> Shannon
Other routes to LGW, NTE, PMI would be dropped and if the above post is true also FUE and LPA. I dont see how FR could justify basing a 738 to operate from SNN to non-base airports of LGW, NTE, PMI. Could be far off but if i was Ryanair's Irish operations Manager SNN base would be closed.
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Looks like they are being dropped. It was always know having these routes from ORK, NOC and SNN would not work long term.
The main reason the base is ther is most lightly because they are not restricted like there are in NOC. Keeping there options open!
The main reason the base is ther is most lightly because they are not restricted like there are in NOC. Keeping there options open!
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What's the benefit of having based aircraft ?
One could argue Dublin airport is only
airport that one can justify based aircraft as
other airports dont have year round viable
routes to operate based aircraft on to full
utilisation.
Minister Varadkar is recently quoted losses
from both Cork and SHN as unsustainable..
One can only surmise that extended operating hours
to support base operations is a major contributor
to these losses as well as high operating costs
One could argue Dublin airport is only
airport that one can justify based aircraft as
other airports dont have year round viable
routes to operate based aircraft on to full
utilisation.
Minister Varadkar is recently quoted losses
from both Cork and SHN as unsustainable..
One can only surmise that extended operating hours
to support base operations is a major contributor
to these losses as well as high operating costs
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EIDW,
They also operate to the non-base airports of CCF, LRH and BOD from ORK. Your wrong about the Cork base for a simple reason, in early 2010 Ryanair realisied which airport has the biggest european catchment area for them outside of Dublin and which area outside of Dublin could hold a host of new bucket and spade routes against direct competition with high frequency airline? Answer Cork, Competition Aer Lingus, Perfect. 1 and half years later both carriers operate the same routes with good LF's and with profits. Look at SNN Ryanair has a complete monoply with Europe excluding London, it chooses to destroy its european traffic at Shannon and operate mostly the same routes from SNN at NOC, it reminds me of Ryanair operating to/from Forli (Bologna) up until late 2008, they opened a base at Bologna and transferred all the popular routes to Bologna but also opened a base at Forli (quickly closed) and operated to crap destinations if you could say that, it totally reminds me of ORK-SNN-NOC, simple fact is SNN has the equipment pre-clearance to do US traffic very very well, if Cork had the same, the US traffic would be at Cork, the catchment area at Cork (1M + pop, high skilled jobs, massive tourism industry Cobh, Blarney etc) versus the West combined Clare, Galway, Mayo etc (400K+most skilled jobs located in urban area's, in adequate ivestment). What is an airline going to think looking at both area's? Its exactly why Wizz chose Cork as its Irish gateway (also because most of the Polish outside of DUB are in ORK but anyway), why Ryanair replaced SNN sunshine routes at ORK. But I'm probably 99.99% wrong with FR at SNN because they like to play airports off against each other its what they do and are good at, its what they're doing at KIR, SNN, NOC and ORK. What I'm trying to say really is if Ryanair are going to expand in the current market its going to be DUB, NOC, ORK - KIR dosent have the market as much as FR would like, and they're playing hardball with SNN they get nothing until Ryanair gets a deal, most probably why the base remains open a sign they want SNN back to 6 a/c maybe who knows!
They also operate to the non-base airports of CCF, LRH and BOD from ORK. Your wrong about the Cork base for a simple reason, in early 2010 Ryanair realisied which airport has the biggest european catchment area for them outside of Dublin and which area outside of Dublin could hold a host of new bucket and spade routes against direct competition with high frequency airline? Answer Cork, Competition Aer Lingus, Perfect. 1 and half years later both carriers operate the same routes with good LF's and with profits. Look at SNN Ryanair has a complete monoply with Europe excluding London, it chooses to destroy its european traffic at Shannon and operate mostly the same routes from SNN at NOC, it reminds me of Ryanair operating to/from Forli (Bologna) up until late 2008, they opened a base at Bologna and transferred all the popular routes to Bologna but also opened a base at Forli (quickly closed) and operated to crap destinations if you could say that, it totally reminds me of ORK-SNN-NOC, simple fact is SNN has the equipment pre-clearance to do US traffic very very well, if Cork had the same, the US traffic would be at Cork, the catchment area at Cork (1M + pop, high skilled jobs, massive tourism industry Cobh, Blarney etc) versus the West combined Clare, Galway, Mayo etc (400K+most skilled jobs located in urban area's, in adequate ivestment). What is an airline going to think looking at both area's? Its exactly why Wizz chose Cork as its Irish gateway (also because most of the Polish outside of DUB are in ORK but anyway), why Ryanair replaced SNN sunshine routes at ORK. But I'm probably 99.99% wrong with FR at SNN because they like to play airports off against each other its what they do and are good at, its what they're doing at KIR, SNN, NOC and ORK. What I'm trying to say really is if Ryanair are going to expand in the current market its going to be DUB, NOC, ORK - KIR dosent have the market as much as FR would like, and they're playing hardball with SNN they get nothing until Ryanair gets a deal, most probably why the base remains open a sign they want SNN back to 6 a/c maybe who knows!
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SNN - Boston being increased to 4 weekly - April - 3 August. (Tu, Th, Sa, Su)
SNN - New York being reduced to 3 weekly - April - 3 August. (Mo, Wed, Fri)
Then returns to 4 JFK and 3 BOS after 3 of Aug.
SNN - New York being reduced to 3 weekly - April - 3 August. (Mo, Wed, Fri)
Then returns to 4 JFK and 3 BOS after 3 of Aug.
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Cork is profitable operations wise, the loss's come from servicing the debt (100m) which was foisted on it by a Govt which did a u turn. The interest repayable this year alone is (8m).
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Aerlingus, that's interesting but I don't see
how numbers work. The Minister for Transport is quoted recently
as stating Corks losses are up to 14m this year..
which one could assume is at operational level only as
the debt is in the DAA...
checking the most recent DAA accounts no seperate
detail is provided for Cork or Shn on what their financial
performance is...which in the interests of transparency one should expect
this to be provided
how numbers work. The Minister for Transport is quoted recently
as stating Corks losses are up to 14m this year..
which one could assume is at operational level only as
the debt is in the DAA...
checking the most recent DAA accounts no seperate
detail is provided for Cork or Shn on what their financial
performance is...which in the interests of transparency one should expect
this to be provided
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@Mayfly - what aer lingus is (correctly) talking about is operating profit, which excludes depreciation and interest. Both of those are now big numbers in Cork because of the terminal.
Op profit is a truer reflection of the actual operating performance of the business (ie can they generate business and service profitably)
Op profit is a truer reflection of the actual operating performance of the business (ie can they generate business and service profitably)
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Angry rebel, I understand thanks, but show me
the numbers .....the only numbers in the
public domain are the Ministers recent quotes.. And also
bty the DAA cost of borrowing is on average 5%
per their annaul report so if that's all debt related
then the 14m 2011 loss would equate to servicing costs
of a debt burden of almost a quarter of a billion
for Cork airport which I don't expect is the case!
the numbers .....the only numbers in the
public domain are the Ministers recent quotes.. And also
bty the DAA cost of borrowing is on average 5%
per their annaul report so if that's all debt related
then the 14m 2011 loss would equate to servicing costs
of a debt burden of almost a quarter of a billion
for Cork airport which I don't expect is the case!
Cork is profitable operations wise, the loss's come from servicing the debt (100m) which was foisted on it by a Govt which did a u turn. The interest repayable this year alone is (8m).
Did Cork not spend 200 million on an airport with 3 million passengers a year ?
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The DAA spent it and let's not forget infrastructure is for the long term..the original terminal in Cork lasted 45 years..let's get things in perspective and not live by the quarter.
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The DAA spent it, Cork had no input into the design or cost, the were told by the then minister that they would be free to operate idependent of the DAA and would be debt free.The DAA were given the Great Southern Hotels and the art work that went with the hotels by way of compensation. These assets were then sold off at a handsome profit and the agreement for Cork was renaged on when there was a new minister installed.
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Cork has nothing to apologis for. It's poetic justice that the DAA are paying for the terminal after the way Cork has been shafted over the years in order to protect the more politicaly sensitive Shannon. Both airports were promised debt free status and as the previous poster says this was reneged on. It's also the duty of the DAA to ensure that costs at its three airports are kept under control although I accept that this alone is not the reason why Cork and Shannon are losing money.
In any event the totally disfunctional aviation policy that operated in this country for so many years is now bearing fruit.
In any event the totally disfunctional aviation policy that operated in this country for so many years is now bearing fruit.