SHANNON

[Jack1985]

Cork has nothing to apologis for. It's poetic justice that the DAA are paying for the terminal after the way Cork has been shafted over the years in order to protect the more politicaly sensitive Shannon. Both airports were promised debt free status and as the previous poster says this was reneged on. It's also the duty of the DAA to ensure that costs at its three airports are kept under control although I accept that this alone is not the reason why Cork and Shannon are losing money.

In any event the totally disfunctional aviation policy that operated in this country for so many years is now bearing fruit.

Fully agree, and after my hopes that Leo Varadkar would improve things i have to say they are slightly fading away fair enough the DAA is keeping prices flat next year, A study for privatisation of Cork and Shannon (which will probably be the same as the last one, more control of themselves under the DAA), and the IAA has reduced prices but this was planned for anyway by the previous Government. We still have the €3 tax, we still have a monoply, we still have as you have pointed out over €100M in debt at Cork seriously unsustainable for an airport operating at current levels of
2.2M to 2.4M (3.0M Capacity).

[Angry Rebel]

@mayfly

If DAA aren't disclosing the breakdown of the numbers I'm not going to either.

The €14m is not all interest, so your calculation is wrong. In addition, as with any business, any given years interest payment will relate to all borrowings, not just one item, as you have assumed here.

[Mayfly1]

Angry Rebel, agree and proves the point
in regard to lack of transparancy regarding how the
DAA operate the businesses under their remit..
If Cork is performing so well then it's Board
should publish it's financial and operational
details openly, and not leave it to forums like
this to surmise what might and might not be!!
Hopefully as other contributors to this forum have mentioned
the Minister can finally address the matter of a badly needed debate
on a national aviation policy

[PPRuNeUser0176]

CO/UA will increase SNN-EWR from 11 weekly last summer to 12 weekly next summer. 2 flights everyday except Wednesday and Thursday (from 2 July - 10 Sep)

Arrive SNN - 07.00 - Depart - 09.00 (daily)
Arrive SNN - 09.15 - Depart - 13.40 (5 weekly)

From what I can remenber they had 11 weekly from late May last summer?

[Copenhagen]

The Terminals in Cork and Shannon are a fantastic piece of state infrastructure and will serve Ireland long into the future. Anyone else find it so ironic that the people who complained that 'Dublin' were nickle and diming Cork with the lack of air-bridges, now say that 'Dublin' overspent. Some sort of responsibility lies in Cork too. Cake and Eating it come to mind in the southern capital.

Are DL coming back to Shannon next Spring?

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Delta resume daily JFK in early May.

[CONAIR11]

While this is good news its dissapointing that Aerlingus have alllowed other airlines to fill the Newyork market from SNN. Reducing to 3 flights a week this year while others are increasing.

[aer lingus]

The aircraft (757) that both DL and CO/UA use from SNN better suit than the A330 that EI use. Load factors can be acheived more easily, also the arrival time at JFK/EWR are better suited for on ward connections, 1300/1100 hrs.

[Cyrano]

Aer Lingus pulls off CDG and LGW from SNN: Clare Herald

[mart901]

Real shame about both I flew out in Summer from Gatwick and it was busy both ways but that could have been random. The capacity has been put onto the Dublin service which is now 6 daily. On the point of Paris nobody seems to be able to make that one work long term. I wonder are the aircraft too big for such routes?

[CCR]

Don't know if Aer Arann/Aer Lingus Regional have the spare capacity, but if they do, maybe they could give these routes a go on the ATR72.

[Steviec9]

Might be worth a try with the ATR but Cityjet couldn't make CDG work with a 146/RJ, although their fares can sometimes be enough to put off a Rockerfeller.

Think LGW is now FR territory. EI had their chance but used bizarre early morning timings that were only an hour or so before the daily FR service, when there has always been demand for an evening rotation. Even FR are now switching to evening timings on the route in S12, although this is probably more to fit in rotations to/from sun destinations and the timetable for LGW/SNN is inconsistent enough in S12 to be a problem for some.

I've gone back to EI LHR services. 3x daily with little timetable variation. Extra cost flying ex LHR is offset by not having to schlep to LGW or STN for ever changing FR flights and I can't be ar5ed with getting another bank card that requires minimum of £150 load each time. The Electron card I got is now used to avoid EI charges and the prepaid MasterCard did me proud but now has a zero balance and is consigned to a drawer. And, last few weeks (though not always), EI have been using Gate 6 at SNN so avoiding the driving rain on the walk of shame from Gates 1-5 out across the apron

[MidlandDeltic]

but Cityjet couldn't make CDG work with a 146/RJ

Didn't Cityjet / Air France pull off CDG when EI started up? Can't remember the exact timeline, but thought that was the case (rather than EI filling a gap left by AF).

MD

[Steviec9]

If memory serves (and it may not..), WX/AF finished in 2009 and EI started later in 2010. The clincher I think was actually FR pulling the SNN/BVA route as by that time EI had re-introduced LHR for pax who wanted connections.

[CCR]

Think that Air France/Cityjet had already pulled off the route before Aer Lingus announced these routes.
The great thing about the ATR 72 is it's really cheap to operate compared to a jet so this could be an opportunity for Aer Lingus Regional to take over these routes like they did on the former Aer Lingus routes from Cork to Manchester and Birmingham and actually increased the frequencies!

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by CCR

Think that Air France/Cityjet had already pulled off the route before Aer Lingus announced these routes.
The great thing about the ATR 72 is it's really cheap to operate compared to a jet so this could be an opportunity for Aer Lingus Regional to take over these routes like they did on the former Aer Lingus routes from Cork to Manchester and Birmingham and actually increased the frequencies!

Aer Lingus restarted SNN-LHR at the start of summer 2009, and much of the connecting traffic, which had been part of the reason for SNN-CDG, immediately went back to connecting through Heathrow. Cityjet tried to hold out for a season and then pulled off SNN-CDG at the end of summer 2009.

The ATR72 is cheap to operate compared to a jet if the demand is insufficient for a jet and if the sector length is appropriate. SNN-CDG is not far off twice the distance of SNN-EDI and I would guess at a block time of about 2 hours 20 minutes in an ATR. That's not ideal, but more to the point it would reduce the number of sectors the aircraft could fit into the day. Would the profits from one SNN-CDG-SNN round trip really outweigh those from two SNN-UK-SNN round trips?

[Jamie2k9]

Summer 2012 - Ryanair

Based Aircraft:
Monday - 06.35-12.30 (WRO)-12.55-16.25 (NTE)-17.10-20.25 (STN)-20.50-00.05 (LGW)
Tuesday - 06.30-13.05 (AGP)-13.55-17.10 (STN)-17.35-20.55 (LGW)
Wednesday - 06.30-15.10 (ACE)-16.00-19.15 (STN)-19.40-23.00 (LGW)
Thursday - 06.50-15.45 (TFS)-16.35-19.50 (STN)-20.15-23.35 (LGW)
Friday - 06.30-12.15 (PMI)-12.40-15.55 (LGW)-16.45-20.15 (NTE)-20.40-23.45 (STN)
Saturday - 07.10-13.05 (WRO)-13.55-17.10 (STN)-17.30-20.55 (LGW)
Sunday - 07.15-13.40 (AGP) - 14.30-17.45 (LGW)-18.10-23..55 (PMI)

Non Based:
LPL-Sun,Wed,Fri
STN-8 weekly

LGW back daily, FUE and LPA dropped, think STN may also have a slight increase.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

New fund to target Shannon airport - The Irish Times - Tue, Dec 13, 2011

If its goes ahead I'm sure Ryanar wont be able to resist a look at offers on the table. After all they go to airports where they will get the best deal.

[Skipness One Echo]

Can someone advise when Glasgow ended with Aer Lingus Regional?

[PPRuNeUser0176]

At the start of the current winter schedule on Oct 29. Was reduced when EDI was started to Tu, Thu, Sat service.