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AA 757 Shannon - Chicago
Sorry if mentioned on other threads.
Taken from another forum but checked on a reservations system: -
AA256 ORD-SNN arr 0800 / AA255 SNN - ORD dep10.15 B757
I believe that it is from May 2007 summer only, back to the split load Dublin for winter. First AA 757 Transatlantic from Chicago believe.
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Taken from another forum but checked on a reservations system: -
AA256 ORD-SNN arr 0800 / AA255 SNN - ORD dep10.15 B757
I believe that it is from May 2007 summer only, back to the split load Dublin for winter. First AA 757 Transatlantic from Chicago believe.
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To me there is only one way out for EI if they don't want themselves to be overrun by AA, CO, DL and maybe NW - find some 757s that can be placed in an ETOPS role, slap some winglets on, base them at SNN and keep all the 330s at DUB, and promise P O'C with all your heart that if he sets up an ORK-style operation EI won't come back and squish it. Add PHL/EWR/BWI/DTW or anything else the bilateral will permit and maybe YYZ/YUL or at least a BUF.
The question is - where do the 75s come from? Maybe some 762s or 310s would do. Do you set up a separate SNN AOC to operate them and how does that go over from an IR standpoint, especially when open skies comes and you might end up terminating it.
From an environmental standpoint I'd much rather see 773s, 748s or A380s in DUB and efficient rail connections than 332s in DUB and 757s in SNN or ORK even though SNN or ORK would be way more convenient for me personally.
The question is - where do the 75s come from? Maybe some 762s or 310s would do. Do you set up a separate SNN AOC to operate them and how does that go over from an IR standpoint, especially when open skies comes and you might end up terminating it.
From an environmental standpoint I'd much rather see 773s, 748s or A380s in DUB and efficient rail connections than 332s in DUB and 757s in SNN or ORK even though SNN or ORK would be way more convenient for me personally.
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I was hoping for a long time that the Gov't and the airlines would get their act together and sort out the shambles, but I've come to the reluctant conclusion that the best answer, but the most controversial, is to build a new, workable, world class airport with good fast rail links in the Portlaiose area, and close Dublin, Shannon & Cork.
That way, the politicians can concentrate on all working together to make Ireland a top class destination, instead of arguing about what flights should go to Shannon or Dublin, the airlines can operate efficiently and effectively by only making one stop in Ireland, so we might at last get year round flights from places like Canada, and the shambles at Dublin that is never going to improve will be ended.
Controversial? You bet, but the value of the land at Dublin if used for housing would more than pay for the new facility, and there's a chance that it might be possible to drive around the area for a while, though the new IKEA might make that dream forlorn.
Too many small minded people with small minded vision. Someone somewhere has to say "ENOUGH" and take a strong stand if Ireland is not to disappear off the world map as an international destination.
That way, the politicians can concentrate on all working together to make Ireland a top class destination, instead of arguing about what flights should go to Shannon or Dublin, the airlines can operate efficiently and effectively by only making one stop in Ireland, so we might at last get year round flights from places like Canada, and the shambles at Dublin that is never going to improve will be ended.
Controversial? You bet, but the value of the land at Dublin if used for housing would more than pay for the new facility, and there's a chance that it might be possible to drive around the area for a while, though the new IKEA might make that dream forlorn.
Too many small minded people with small minded vision. Someone somewhere has to say "ENOUGH" and take a strong stand if Ireland is not to disappear off the world map as an international destination.
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As for teh airport idea, its really good, but impracticacal, how would UK, Europe and Domestic flights work? Who would build and run the high speed rail network and motorways necessary? The DAA????
Irish Rail????
Its a bad state of affaris when airports in so called "third world" countrues have better infastructure and airports than a so called "nation awash with cash"
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Hear, hear, Brian. Well said. Just a small thing I know but in A.net a few weeks there was a photo of a new regional airfield somewhere in Malaysia whose operations consist mainly of ATR type airliners and in the background the new terminal was visible with a plethora of new airbridges and I will take a bet the runway was fairly long there too. Then in a sizeable infrastructural development like the new terminal at Cork which had plans for 3 to 4 airbridges the place ends up with just the one in spite of the long history of poor weather and rain. It would almost make you laugh but this is down to the kind of incompetence and governance there is in a country with a population whom are being conned up to their eyeballs by politicians and developers on the make and where the only other people getting on well are the likes of wealthy lawyers and medical consultants and a public service ridden with so many dossers that they would not know what a full day's work was if it bit in the backside.
Dublin Airport is a terrible mess but it is making pots and pots of money but do the precious self important dressed up like Field Marshal geniuses in the new Aer Rianta called the DAA care one jot how many Cork Airport passengers' plans are screwed up by the regular low cloud and the occasional spell of real fog when the RVRs go below 300 metres at Cork in the absense of a CATIII ILS. I would even guess the likes of the DAA are quietly smirking to themselves as the thousands of diverted Cork passengers fill up the numbers nicely at Shannon giving solace to the the smug, self satisfied nepotistic workers in the Irish state airports family.
And then you have the ex-state airline, Aer Lingus, that hides behind the pretence of the stopover to not offer Cork any transatlantic service in favour of the arrangements between Dublin and Shannon, an airline back in the 80s and 90s that would charge hundreds & hundreds of pounds for a flight to London from Cork and plead with you that was the best fare they could do and how Cork pax were always ripped off just that little bit more for the privilege of flying from Cork rather than Dublin.
This country of ours does have lots of natural beauty in West Cork, Kerry, Connemara, Donegal and for that it is worth visiting, yes but make no mistake about it the country is administered and governed by a nation of sleaveens knowing full well the public can be conned as much as you like up to their eyeballs and they will more than likely say nothing.
Dublin Airport is a terrible mess but it is making pots and pots of money but do the precious self important dressed up like Field Marshal geniuses in the new Aer Rianta called the DAA care one jot how many Cork Airport passengers' plans are screwed up by the regular low cloud and the occasional spell of real fog when the RVRs go below 300 metres at Cork in the absense of a CATIII ILS. I would even guess the likes of the DAA are quietly smirking to themselves as the thousands of diverted Cork passengers fill up the numbers nicely at Shannon giving solace to the the smug, self satisfied nepotistic workers in the Irish state airports family.
And then you have the ex-state airline, Aer Lingus, that hides behind the pretence of the stopover to not offer Cork any transatlantic service in favour of the arrangements between Dublin and Shannon, an airline back in the 80s and 90s that would charge hundreds & hundreds of pounds for a flight to London from Cork and plead with you that was the best fare they could do and how Cork pax were always ripped off just that little bit more for the privilege of flying from Cork rather than Dublin.
This country of ours does have lots of natural beauty in West Cork, Kerry, Connemara, Donegal and for that it is worth visiting, yes but make no mistake about it the country is administered and governed by a nation of sleaveens knowing full well the public can be conned as much as you like up to their eyeballs and they will more than likely say nothing.
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CSO sez 953,000 US and Canada residents came to Ireland in 2005. Less than peak (1.074m in 2000) but you could fill plenty of golf courses.
Ireland is not the same as the Maldives or these other kinds of places where better beaches or better hotels are the key. It just isn't. Ireland has a hold over people's imaginations over here you wouldn't believe. We all know it's gone but they don't know that yet. Every second person who I tell where I'm from says they're either going to go or want to go.
Ireland is not the same as the Maldives or these other kinds of places where better beaches or better hotels are the key. It just isn't. Ireland has a hold over people's imaginations over here you wouldn't believe. We all know it's gone but they don't know that yet. Every second person who I tell where I'm from says they're either going to go or want to go.
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RTE:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0109/shannon1.html
So what happens now?
Unions at Shannon Airport have overwhelmingly rejected restructuring plan for the airport which would have ensured cost savings of €10 million a year.
So what happens now?
- Airport charges increase
- Ryanair decide it's not worth the effort anymore
- Ryanair move all but one aircraft to Cork
- Unions at Shannon Airport overwhelmingly blame airport management for job losses
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What happens now?
What happens now? Shannon workers hold out for more.
The Gravy train has been running there since the 1950's.
Clare, Limerick East and Tipperary North are crucial marginals.
Who'd bet against them winning more concessions in the months ahead.
We'll see now whether the DAA is a business enterprise or a mouthpiece for the Government.
They might be able to put the clamps on Cork but Shannon Airport in the heart of Dev's constituency!, not a chance.
The Gravy train has been running there since the 1950's.
Clare, Limerick East and Tipperary North are crucial marginals.
Who'd bet against them winning more concessions in the months ahead.
We'll see now whether the DAA is a business enterprise or a mouthpiece for the Government.
They might be able to put the clamps on Cork but Shannon Airport in the heart of Dev's constituency!, not a chance.
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What happens now? Shannon workers hold out for more.
The Gravy train has been running there since the 1950's.
Clare, Limerick East and Tipperary North are crucial marginals.
Who'd bet against them winning more concessions in the months ahead.
We'll see now whether the DAA is a business enterprise or a mouthpiece for the Government.
They might be able to put the clamps on Cork but Shannon Airport in the heart of Dev's constituency!, not a chance.
The Gravy train has been running there since the 1950's.
Clare, Limerick East and Tipperary North are crucial marginals.
Who'd bet against them winning more concessions in the months ahead.
We'll see now whether the DAA is a business enterprise or a mouthpiece for the Government.
They might be able to put the clamps on Cork but Shannon Airport in the heart of Dev's constituency!, not a chance.
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Charlie Roy surmises that-
Airport charges increase:
Airport charges increase:
- Ryanair decide it's not worth the effort anymore
- Ryanair move all but one aircraft to Cork
- Unions at Shannon Airport overwhelmingly blame airport management for job losses
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Out of interest, if an aircraft is travelling from Dublin to New York and touches down in Shannon, how much revenue does Shannon serive per passenger for those passengers who don't leave the aircraft?
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Charges for transit passengers
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Info on any such charges, if they exist for transit passengers, should be available in the Airport Charges section of the Shannon Airport website.
Info on any such charges, if they exist for transit passengers, should be available in the Airport Charges section of the Shannon Airport website.
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Here's the document
http://www.shannonairport.com/docume...nditions06.pdf
Transit passengers are free, so it appears that the only revenue directly derived from the stopover is the runway and parking charges.
http://www.shannonairport.com/docume...nditions06.pdf
Transit passengers are free, so it appears that the only revenue directly derived from the stopover is the runway and parking charges.
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The difficulties didn't quite begin when Ryanair opened the base, but were significantly compounded. This was not a strategic development by Shannon management, it was effectively thrown at them by MOL and they had minutes to accept or reject. Shannon's cost base was not and is still not modelled towards low cost traffic. Low cost in theory drives volume, however this has not happened at Shannon, and Ryanair are consistently chopping and changing their network to find something viable going forward. Growth, (positive or negative) in Europe is going to be dictated by Ryanair as no airline will commence operations no matter how small or large the FR presence is after the Easy saga. Any growth in this market will not attract any significant revenue from aviation related activity due to the unbelievable deal with Ryanair, so its down to shops and car park. Transatlantic will suffer no matter what way the bilatteral swings, and the troops are dwindling. The unions and the DAA are about to launch into battle, and an election is around the corner to further muddy the water, so any outcome is unlikely until after May, and Galway, Knock and Cork are all taking a slice of Shannon's traditional market. In my view as with a lot of Irish aviation related issues it all boils down to a lack of policy from both the government and the DAA, and to a certain extent Shannon management, although they may be absolved as their hands have been tied on strategic development.
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I was wondering does Shannon make much money from all the fuel/medical stopovers/diversions that they recieve because according to another website they do recieve quite a number of these.
Also a number of airlines train their crews there, does this bring any revenue into the airport or is it an independant company that benefits from all of this?
Also a number of airlines train their crews there, does this bring any revenue into the airport or is it an independant company that benefits from all of this?
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Well, I read that they would lose €14m revenue per year as a result of World pulling their military flights out of SNN.
As for the crew training, I would guess SNN makes a nice bit out of it. Virgin Airways and KLM are just some of the airlines which have visited SNN on crew training in the past year. Also, who can forget the A380 coming for crowsswind trials or whatever they're called.
As for the crew training, I would guess SNN makes a nice bit out of it. Virgin Airways and KLM are just some of the airlines which have visited SNN on crew training in the past year. Also, who can forget the A380 coming for crowsswind trials or whatever they're called.
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Summer Update
A few confirmed operations for S2007 in SNN
Air Canada hve confirmed their operations thru SNN and DUB.
Again they will be operating a B763 YYZ-DUB-SNN-YYZ
Arriving in SNN @1030 and departing @1145. Flight will start up on the 16th of june and continue through 30th Sept.
Air Med are operating their A321 on Thursdays from 17th of May until 6th of September.
6 Departures each thursday. Destinations are CDG/NTE/LYS/SXB/MRS/TLS
Scissors
Air Canada hve confirmed their operations thru SNN and DUB.
Again they will be operating a B763 YYZ-DUB-SNN-YYZ
Arriving in SNN @1030 and departing @1145. Flight will start up on the 16th of june and continue through 30th Sept.
Air Med are operating their A321 on Thursdays from 17th of May until 6th of September.
6 Departures each thursday. Destinations are CDG/NTE/LYS/SXB/MRS/TLS
Scissors