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Indeed the ATR could fly to CDG in around 90 minutes which would be perfectly acceptable (Depending on what way the wind is. Might take all day either).
If Aer Lingus do get the E190s, if there are enough to go around they would be ideal for a majority of services from Shannon that they could launch. Would certainly make some routes far more viable in comparision to an A320 anyway.
If Aer Lingus do get the E190s, if there are enough to go around they would be ideal for a majority of services from Shannon that they could launch. Would certainly make some routes far more viable in comparision to an A320 anyway.
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SAA reaction to BVA withdrawl - ''suprised at the decision to withdraw such a popular route, which had a load factor of 89% in August''
Have to say i was stuned at that one also. The bad thing is if EI approach SAA or AF/WX about a SNN-CDG route have a guess who'l be announcing ''new routes''. The thing i think SAA really wanted today was a base withdrawl, so they could approach new base airlines etc...
But who knows the aviation industry is so unpredictable these days that FR could be servicing CDG soon who knows? but in the short-term SAA needs to deal with this ''hanging cloud'' at SNN that is turning airlines away, and reducing services.
Also i highly doubt that an ATR could service CDG from SNN in 90 minutes! , EI ORK-CDG route is 1hours 40minutes on the outbound and 1hours 45mintues on the inbound thats an A320, i think the figure of 90 minutes is ridiculous
Have to say i was stuned at that one also. The bad thing is if EI approach SAA or AF/WX about a SNN-CDG route have a guess who'l be announcing ''new routes''. The thing i think SAA really wanted today was a base withdrawl, so they could approach new base airlines etc...
But who knows the aviation industry is so unpredictable these days that FR could be servicing CDG soon who knows? but in the short-term SAA needs to deal with this ''hanging cloud'' at SNN that is turning airlines away, and reducing services.
Also i highly doubt that an ATR could service CDG from SNN in 90 minutes! , EI ORK-CDG route is 1hours 40minutes on the outbound and 1hours 45mintues on the inbound thats an A320, i think the figure of 90 minutes is ridiculous
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I think not! The figures given in timetables are padded. The Air contractors ATR makes it nightly in that time from Cork to CDG! (That said there would be less chance of delays at that time, holdings etc)
Looking at the flightplans now for the last few days its averaging 1hr 10-20 for both ORK-CDG and SNN-BVA. (Not available to public domain)
Looking at the flightplans now for the last few days its averaging 1hr 10-20 for both ORK-CDG and SNN-BVA. (Not available to public domain)
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Start a rumor that you have heard that EasyJet might be looking at an Orly snn service and it wont take too long for Ducksie to come sniffing around at the saa skirts again. I readily accept there is very viable snn Paris market there and this is an opportunity for the saa to get up off it's a*se and restore a bit of pride in itself by securing a new operator for the winter season.
There now, and you all think I am always ag'in snn!
There now, and you all think I am always ag'in snn!
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An ATR can do it in 1hr 30mins,especially with a favourable tail wind,its a turboprop not an elastic band.Although I dont see that happening any time soon,an E190 would be perfect on the Paris route.I flew up to EINN recently and it is very quiet indeed.
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During the boom a lot of the SNN Beauvais pax were Cork people who were unable or unwilling to pay the somewhat higher fares on EI's service to CDG. Now many of these pax are unable or unwilling to fly anywhere which probably put pressure on the Shannon service. Furthermore some Cork people realised that the fare differential wasn't that great when the cost of surface transport from Cork to Shannon and from Beauvais to Paris was taken Iinto consideration.
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I don't have precise figures but during the period in question practically every school group in Co. Cork flew from Shannon as did younger people anxious to save a few bob. Then again school tours are meant to be educational so the teachers could begin the tour by telling students about an airport that dominated Irish Aviation Policy for almost 60 years untill the EU got us off the hook. Seriously I do think Shannon is better off pursuing a link with CDG from a connectivity point of view. In general the downturn has hit Shannon harder beacuse the Ryanair operation became very dependent on pax heading off on those who were hardest when the downturn came. Stag weekends, cheap city breaks etc came to an abrupt halt.
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Better plan is to close regional airports and use the runways as race tracks for boy racers and charge them for track days same as in uk and europe, probably make more money that way!!!
I jest......kinda. but really does an island the size of Ireland really need all the comercial airports that it has. Never mind the my airports bigger than your airport or may airport carries more passengers etc etc, really and honestly guys do we in Ireland need ALL the airports, SNN,ORK,DUB,CFN,SXL,LDY,BFS,BHD,NOC,KIR,WAT,GWY, thats 12 airports!!!! for what 5 million people.
I dont think we do nor can afford nor justify all 12.
Let the IMF decide when it comes in to look at the books!!
I jest......kinda. but really does an island the size of Ireland really need all the comercial airports that it has. Never mind the my airports bigger than your airport or may airport carries more passengers etc etc, really and honestly guys do we in Ireland need ALL the airports, SNN,ORK,DUB,CFN,SXL,LDY,BFS,BHD,NOC,KIR,WAT,GWY, thats 12 airports!!!! for what 5 million people.
I dont think we do nor can afford nor justify all 12.
Let the IMF decide when it comes in to look at the books!!
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Agreed totally. We dont need them all but should focus on the ones with better facilities. IMO - DUB, ORK, SNN, NOC is all there should be.
Gives a good spread across the regions and all are good facilities
The likes of kerry, Waterford, Galway, SLigo etc and this mythical one in Offally, are really not needed imo
edit - wasnt including the Nordy airports in that
Gives a good spread across the regions and all are good facilities
The likes of kerry, Waterford, Galway, SLigo etc and this mythical one in Offally, are really not needed imo
edit - wasnt including the Nordy airports in that
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Ryanair Shannon pax
I don't have access to Ryanair figures just considerable anecdotal evidence. Ryanair carried 1.9m pax at Shannon at the peak of it's operation there. Clearly they don't all live in Shannon, Ennis and Sixmilebridge. In general Cork leaked passengers to Beauvais, Prestwick, Malaga, Faro and Murcia as they were the routes where the price differential was greatest.
Reasons for these travel patterns varied but it was usually along the lines of "I'd prefer to fly from Cork but my friend booked me out of Shannon" or " all the seats from Cork were gone" meaning all the cheap seats were gone.
The Polish routes were also popular with those anxious to save a few euro. Now that the fares war is over many of these peope are staying at home.
Reasons for these travel patterns varied but it was usually along the lines of "I'd prefer to fly from Cork but my friend booked me out of Shannon" or " all the seats from Cork were gone" meaning all the cheap seats were gone.
The Polish routes were also popular with those anxious to save a few euro. Now that the fares war is over many of these peope are staying at home.
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I really agree with Ryan2000 and I am from Ennis. I used to use the airport twice per week up until January 2010 (but that is another story). My travels took me on alot of flights from Shannon to various destinations in Europe. I did meet alot of Cork people on those flights. It was not just the holiday maker but even the business traveller. One of my customers was temporarily transferred to Scotland for 6 months with his weekly flights paid for by his company (incidentally only 3km from Cork Airport). Cork airport had the same destination but the company saved money (including fuel travelling to Shannon) by opting for Ryanair from Shannon.
I would even say that the Girona flight was 60% full of Cork people anytime I was on it because it flew early morning and was cheaper than EI.
I would even say that the Girona flight was 60% full of Cork people anytime I was on it because it flew early morning and was cheaper than EI.
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So to speak from the horse's mouth then re many Cork pax whom used to trek to snn for the few bob saved etc. When Ryanair started some of the snn France routes a few years ago I recall that there was fairly prominent billboard advertising by Ryanair on the old Kinsale Road in Cork which for many would have been on the drive to Cork Airport. I seem to remember there were two destinations in particular, one I am pretty sure was in France and I just cant remember the other place at the moment.
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of course thats totally gone know by the day SNN is loosing its catchment area as more and more passengers are choosing to fly from ORK or NOC even further a field as DUB. Although i have to say when i flew ORK to FAO ret. in August the load factor outbound was in excess of 70% and just over i'd say 85% on the inbound, its clear the removal of FAO at SNN was a factor in increased pax numbers from ORK to FAO (FR operated a service too from ORK to FAO) maybe this is why EI increased flights from Cork to Faro next summer.
Although this winter should see ORK-CDG improve yields further and maybe just give a green light to EI to increase it to 10w or maybe ever 14w ''double daily''
This is what FR is acheiving with its cut throwth approach to the SAA even though , they'd be best friends again if EI was rolling out CDG if you get me.
Although this winter should see ORK-CDG improve yields further and maybe just give a green light to EI to increase it to 10w or maybe ever 14w ''double daily''
This is what FR is acheiving with its cut throwth approach to the SAA even though , they'd be best friends again if EI was rolling out CDG if you get me.