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It would make little sense to move the AF cargo operation to Dublin- When the new B777F's are to be operated by AF cargo next year it would mean a payload restriction out of dublin....
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Brand launch?
Have a look at what appears to be a rebranded Shannon Airport website- www.shannonairport.com, same information but attractive new logo and colour scheme. Looks like one step closer to autonomy from DAA!
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BA launches business-class only flights
British Airways is to launch double daily business class-only flights from London City airport to New York next year.
Chief executive Willie Walsh said: “This niche service will fly passengers between the heart of the two largest financial centres in the world.
“We will offer a 15 minute check-in for customers in both London and New York. London City’s size means that it is a quick and easy airport to use and, with a maximum of 32 passengers onboard, getting on and off the aircraft will be a smooth process.
“By adding two new daily flights from New York direct into London City we can offer customers working or living in the Canary Wharf and Docklands area an opportunity to fly into an airport right on the doorstep of where they live and work.”
BA has ordered two A318 aircraft from Airbus to operate these flights. It is the first time the airline has ordered A318s, although it already has 69 Airbus A320 family shorthaul aircraft in its fleet.
The new service will operate under existing agreements with BALPA as part of British Airways mainline.
Q&A
Why are we launching business-class only flights when a similar operator, Maxjet, has gone into Chapter 11?
We believe there is a considerable demand for business class-only flights to and from London City. The airport is key as it is conveniently located close to the City and its size means we can offer a minimum 15-minute check-in. On the aircraft, there will be a maximum of 32 passengers onboard.
From which New York airport will we fly?
The slot regulatory review of the New York airports has only recently concluded and we are waiting for clarification of the outcome of the review before we can determine from which airport we will fly.
Do these new flights conflict with your new airline OpenSkies?
No. OpenSkies will not operate from the UK. These new flights will enhance our UK-New York services.
Will we fly from London City to other US destinations?
We have no plans at this stage but it is something that we will continue to review.
Will the flights operate non-stop?
Flights from New York to London will operate non-stop. Westbound flights will have to make a short stop to refuel. This is because the aircraft will not be able to take-off with full fuel tanks from London City due to runway restrictions at the airport.
Will we get the slots at London City as it is congested in peak periods?
Yes. We have been able to grow our London City slot portfolio and are confident that we will have the slots to operate this service.
How many flight and cabin crew will operate the flights?
Two flight crew and three cabin crew.
Will the aircraft have the new Club World seats onboard?
That has yet to be decided but we plan to offer an innovative and exclusive business class cabin.
Why is this part of mainline BA and not BA CityFlyer?
The new service will operate under existing agreements with BALPA as part of British Airways mainline.
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stop over at Shannon?
if so here is a suggestion for our friends in the SAA.
search for airports with fuel restrictions like EGLC, or runway restrictions, to make Shannon an attractive stop over option.
BA launches business-class only flights
British Airways is to launch double daily business class-only flights from London City airport to New York next year.
Chief executive Willie Walsh said: “This niche service will fly passengers between the heart of the two largest financial centres in the world.
“We will offer a 15 minute check-in for customers in both London and New York. London City’s size means that it is a quick and easy airport to use and, with a maximum of 32 passengers onboard, getting on and off the aircraft will be a smooth process.
“By adding two new daily flights from New York direct into London City we can offer customers working or living in the Canary Wharf and Docklands area an opportunity to fly into an airport right on the doorstep of where they live and work.”
BA has ordered two A318 aircraft from Airbus to operate these flights. It is the first time the airline has ordered A318s, although it already has 69 Airbus A320 family shorthaul aircraft in its fleet.
The new service will operate under existing agreements with BALPA as part of British Airways mainline.
Q&A
Why are we launching business-class only flights when a similar operator, Maxjet, has gone into Chapter 11?
We believe there is a considerable demand for business class-only flights to and from London City. The airport is key as it is conveniently located close to the City and its size means we can offer a minimum 15-minute check-in. On the aircraft, there will be a maximum of 32 passengers onboard.
From which New York airport will we fly?
The slot regulatory review of the New York airports has only recently concluded and we are waiting for clarification of the outcome of the review before we can determine from which airport we will fly.
Do these new flights conflict with your new airline OpenSkies?
No. OpenSkies will not operate from the UK. These new flights will enhance our UK-New York services.
Will we fly from London City to other US destinations?
We have no plans at this stage but it is something that we will continue to review.
Will the flights operate non-stop?
Flights from New York to London will operate non-stop. Westbound flights will have to make a short stop to refuel. This is because the aircraft will not be able to take-off with full fuel tanks from London City due to runway restrictions at the airport.
Will we get the slots at London City as it is congested in peak periods?
Yes. We have been able to grow our London City slot portfolio and are confident that we will have the slots to operate this service.
How many flight and cabin crew will operate the flights?
Two flight crew and three cabin crew.
Will the aircraft have the new Club World seats onboard?
That has yet to be decided but we plan to offer an innovative and exclusive business class cabin.
Why is this part of mainline BA and not BA CityFlyer?
The new service will operate under existing agreements with BALPA as part of British Airways mainline.
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stop over at Shannon?
if so here is a suggestion for our friends in the SAA.
search for airports with fuel restrictions like EGLC, or runway restrictions, to make Shannon an attractive stop over option.
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I wish BA luck with this venture.
I'm not sure how many other airports would have a short runway and enough demand for flights. In Berlin, after Tegel closes, if Tempelhof remains open, it might be attractive for passengers who don't want the trip out to Schönefeld. Otherwise, I'm a bit stumped.
However, if the London City service goes well, there's a whole host of destinations on the East Coast of the America that could also be considered for this type of route - Washington, Philadelphia, Boston, Toronto, Montreal. I guess they see how much of the business market to New York like the service and then they can judge what the demand to those other cities could be.
I'm not sure how many other airports would have a short runway and enough demand for flights. In Berlin, after Tegel closes, if Tempelhof remains open, it might be attractive for passengers who don't want the trip out to Schönefeld. Otherwise, I'm a bit stumped.
However, if the London City service goes well, there's a whole host of destinations on the East Coast of the America that could also be considered for this type of route - Washington, Philadelphia, Boston, Toronto, Montreal. I guess they see how much of the business market to New York like the service and then they can judge what the demand to those other cities could be.
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The Stopover will make the westbound leg less attractive. So open skies introduces a new stopover era to Shannon>
so may it be.But if the necessity to use Shannon exist not for pleasure but due to technichal constraints(runway limitations+fuel),as it seems to be the case, Shannon should try to get the best of it as well...while it last.
so may it be.But if the necessity to use Shannon exist not for pleasure but due to technichal constraints(runway limitations+fuel),as it seems to be the case, Shannon should try to get the best of it as well...while it last.
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Aer Lingus should consider buying a few seats from British Airways on this BA A318 flight to New York. High yielding fares outbound and come back to SNN on the EI best seats. An easy winner?
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Hardly Tom- there are only 36 seats on the flight. Would make very little sense IMO for EI to go buying seats. Plus it does not stop in Shannon on the return. How do the pax come home?
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I imagine the duty free at Shannon is a bit more comprehensive than LCY - wanna bet 32 high rollers spend as much as a widebody of grunts returning from the sandpit?
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When you weigh it up, the stopover may not be too much of an issue, 15 min check-in at LCY, and add to that pre-clearing immigration at SNN, it will be a major time saving. A city type can leave the office 45 mins before departure and be in JFK less than 9 hours later with minimal hassle having already cleared immigration, and on the return will be in the office 30 mins after landing. Compare the journey from the office through LHR. Wouldn't think the financial model includes any pick-up in SNN. I think it has a fighting chance! I wonder though had they done a deal with EI whereby EI totally upgrade the first class/business product, and add in a super fast pax transfer, would it not make more sense!
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I believe Shannon is getting customs pre-clearance later this year. How would this work with this new service. Would pax be required to get off the plane to get their bags cleared. If so, that would ruin the splash and dash nature of the stop. Will BA just use immigration pre-clearance and leave customs pre-clearance at the other end?
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http://www.rte.ie/business/2008/0310/aerlingus.html
Aer Lingus has confirmed that its winter services from Shannon to the US were in serious doubt until recently. The development comes only months after airline controversially dropped its service from Shannon to Heathrow.
The airline today announced it was continuing the US routes after it secured support from local tourism groups and cost reductions.
Aer Lingus's move to axe its Heathrow route led to difficult relations between the airline and the local tourism lobby. Last month the airline met tourism interests in the region.
It said its routes to the US from Shannon in winter were in doubt in the absence of significant support from the industry. Today it announced it was continuing the routes to Boston, Chicago and New York from Shannon from October.
It also secured additional flexibility from staff and lower landing charges at Shannon Airport. A €3m budget to market holidays in the region has also been secured from Government
Aer Lingus has confirmed that its winter services from Shannon to the US were in serious doubt until recently. The development comes only months after airline controversially dropped its service from Shannon to Heathrow.
The airline today announced it was continuing the US routes after it secured support from local tourism groups and cost reductions.
Aer Lingus's move to axe its Heathrow route led to difficult relations between the airline and the local tourism lobby. Last month the airline met tourism interests in the region.
It said its routes to the US from Shannon in winter were in doubt in the absence of significant support from the industry. Today it announced it was continuing the routes to Boston, Chicago and New York from Shannon from October.
It also secured additional flexibility from staff and lower landing charges at Shannon Airport. A €3m budget to market holidays in the region has also been secured from Government
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EI commit to Shannon ( for the winter at least! )
From RTE website
http://www.rte.ie/business/2008/0310/aerlingus.html
It looks like they were able to negotiate favourable terms with the SAA, for the winter season. Is it a commitment, or just an extension to the inevitable pullout of all services at SNN?
I still feel, that if they didn't have the staff numbers at SNN, that they would be able to operte many routes from there.
Next year you can be sure that they'll be negotiating a better deal than this one. They would appear to have SAA in a headlock at the moment
http://www.rte.ie/business/2008/0310/aerlingus.html
It looks like they were able to negotiate favourable terms with the SAA, for the winter season. Is it a commitment, or just an extension to the inevitable pullout of all services at SNN?
I still feel, that if they didn't have the staff numbers at SNN, that they would be able to operte many routes from there.
Next year you can be sure that they'll be negotiating a better deal than this one. They would appear to have SAA in a headlock at the moment
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Surely with the loss of the Heathrow service and a small presence during the winter this would be more suited to a handling agent like Servisair ? Half the problem with Aer Lingus is lots of well paid ground staff when 21st century economics won't allow for well paid ground staff anymore. Look at BA outsourcing to Aviance in the UK !
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Surely with the loss of the Heathrow service and a small presence during the winter this would be more suited to a handling agent like Servisair
I dont think that half of DM's problems at SNN are staff related - i think that all of DM's problems at SNN are staff related!
Get rid of or significantly lower the cost base, and many routes suddenly have higher potential yields.
21st Century economics indeed
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I dont think that half of DM's problems at SNN are staff related - i think that all of DM's problems at SNN are staff related!