max.aret

By the way, don't try to add the time you spent as copilot to your "seniority"! Eventually time starts once you have been upgraded. ;-).

strtomdf

Thanks for all the info, but I have decided not to submit an application at this time. I am better off where I am when it comes down to the total package, Seems to me that Netjets is more off a place for pilots just starting out on their carreers.
I currently work a 7 on 7 off roster, but have to commute to home base at own expense,usually day before duty start and home on first day off. It was the rostering at netjets that was attractive to me also the possibility off flying state off the art aircraft(Falcon 7X), But from what you say regarding seniority and being number 1200 or something in line, I would most likely be retired before even getting a look at the thing.

Thanks, and good luck to all

Tom

Riker

Well, depending upon your flight time and experience (and a little luck), you could start as an FO on the GV. It's possible. Who knows, you could start as an FO on the 7X if you time in correctly and you fit their profile for experience. You are more likely to start in a Bravo, XLS, Beechjunk or Hawker but you never know - it depends on your experience and the company needs at the time from what I understand...

If you are heavy on experience/hours you are more likely to start on a Bravo or XLS because you would be ugrading faster and they would want for you to have experience in that aircraft (start in the Bravo and then upgrade in the Bravo). If you meet the minimums but are lite on overall experience/hours, you could potentially start in the Falcon 2000, GV or even 7X so that you could continue to learn from the more experienced PICs until you are ready to upgrade into the Bravo or XLS.

strtomdf

Thanks for info Riker.

I am 39 yrs old,I Have about 6500 hrs, 4600 hrs multi crew turbine with MTOW over 20,000 kg.

I am interested in the the rapid command scheme, since I am next in line for command at my current employer, upgrading to captain will involve commuting to a new base even further away from where I live. I was flying the Dash 8 Q400, but they grounded it. There is a board meeting at SAS on the 17th of Dec. to decide what our new fleet if any will consist of. If we dont get any new aircraft, expansion will be impossible and I will have to commute far north until the cows come home.

I will wait and see if Stavanger pops up on the gateway list sometime next year.
Again thanks for all the info.

PS read something today about Lufthansa buying their own bizz jets after the cancellation of contract with Netjets.

Babbalito

Guys/Gals

Anyone got the call or PFO from the above interview sessions?

sirvival

Hi all,

availability October 2008. Too early to apply with NJE??

Thanks

Sirvival

natops

No mate just apply, they will give you the starttime you need if you pass the selection process.
Good luck, it would help if you know people who already fly for NJE, to put your paper on top of the pile.
N.

strtomdf

One of the guys I fly with has recently been offered the job, but he turned them down. He said the pension scheme was not good enough.

falconbis

there is no pension scheme right now ...they should be one which have been annonced 1 year ago but still not there ! THE one they talk about is pretty poor, with Netjets matching 1/3 only of your input and that 1/3 cannot be more than 16000/year!!!! of course that pension scheme is taken from your net income ....make you calculation

EXCIN

1/3 ??? NetJets is paying 50% on top. That means if you put €1000/month in the basket, NetJets will add €500 (=extra salary). And yes, it's deducted from your Net salary but this means that when you get your "pension", you will not pay taxes on this.

rotorknight

If only that would be true,that we not had to pay taxes on our pension
It would make me the happiest man in a tax crazy country

falconbis

So lets do the Math... 1000 E + 50% (500) = 1500 E= so 500 =1/3
In any other pension scheme the company input is 2/3 and employee imput 1/3 of his GROSS salary....and what you said about not paying tax on the claim is just speculation, there is so many differences in countries of residence that nobody really know what will happen untill the date of claim...
May be your are new at Netjets ! an other trick ? lets talk about Netjets claim of Pilots salary raised by 26%, forgetting to mention about the 32% raise of tax and NI... So Pilots salary before the raise = 100 euros x 26% = 126 - 32% = 85.68 euros !!
thats the kind of Netjets call a raise.
enjoy !

EXCIN

First of all....I'm in the company since 2005. For me NetJets is paying 50% on top of my contribution. 1000 E + 50% is 1500 E. And in the country where I live, I will not have to pay taxes on this amount since I already payed it in Portugal (according to my financial advisor).
And I'm very happy with the new contract and the new 6/5 working scheme.
The grass is always greener on the other side....

falconbis

I m glad you are happy most of the new hire like you are happy ! its all depend of where(country) and for whom you were flying before I guess ! so I anderstand that for most new Pilots (less than 3 years) Netjets is a step upin their carreer. I am happy for you but Netjets can t afford to be a flying school and need experience Captains , right now its mainly commuter f/o (saab embraer ATr etc...) that are happy because they can upgrade within two years max and already make more money as F/O than previous job (i m glad for them!) and military guys who after 15 years of flying 14 to 20 hours a month 24/7 for 3000 euros monthly now have a better life style and can upgrade easily within a year for most of them! that ok too but how long Netjets can go having a young f/o without experiences and a new young Captain also without the kind of Netjets JAR OPS 1 flying expereriences it required, which, as you already know now is a lots more demanding than what all other airlines do.
Now don t quote me wrong I am happy for you but the pension is still 1/3 and you forget to said that 50% is limited to 6000 euros /year so if you invest 15000 /year in your plan Netjets input will still be 6000 euros so less than 40%. I now about the greener thing its easy but we should not be distract from the reality and that reality is that Netjets is good compared with GA or commuter but far behind easyjet and up...
all the best

blablablafly

I am not new hire and am happy with the new contract too (then again I dont live in France )

I disagree about Easyjet from a livestyle point of view, pension I dont know. I have SN experience and this is much better. Who is the female pilot on here who flies with NJ and her husband flies Easy. She is in a position to compare.

Agree with Excin that the grass is always greener.

FliegerTiger

redsnail, please check your pm's!

falconbis

blabla fly

Sure, Belgium is not a country of reference, its probably the lowest wage in industrial europe just ahead of germany. SN brux is what? 2800 months for a captain ?of course Netjets is much better then.
but I desagree with Easy, friend I have in Orly is captain start at 112000 plus benefits, including increment of 5 to8 % untill year 10, his pay raise evry year is now 600 euros a month, a proper pension work 4day on 3 off home every night its faaaar better than Netjets. in GVA Easy is even better may be they have followed the Belgium salary there? don t know , but onething I know is if the NJ contract was good the experienced guys even on large cabin will stay and this is not the case , last email from management is a try to stop the bleeding. I stillmaintain that you are better off today Cpt at Easy than Cpt flying and cleaning NJ airplane s millionnaire for a commuter salary without a proper pension.

blablablafly

Hi Falcon

Your friend in Orly is on a French or a UK contract? That makes a difference.

To be clear I was Sabena (call sign SN) not SN (call sign still SN )

It is al about lifestyle. I prefer 6 on 5 of and do real flying instead of the ratrace flights i did in BRU and remember we did not have 25 minute turnarounds like the Loco's! So the question is as alweays whether you like corporate or scheduled: I am happy with the first. So the question is not so much in comparing Easy with NJ but if you are in corporate where you want to be.

PPRuNeUser0215

Absolutely... And the new French contract is so new that nobody has seen it yet. Apart from the fact that apparently Easy has sent it out by mistake to th epilots then sent another message saying that it wasn't finalised, therefore should be ignored.
Like blablablablafly, I too come from an airline which paid more, gave great pension etc.... And it hasn't gone bust so I am here by choice and like it so much more.
I certainly would hate going back to the Loco world (did a brief 18 months of that, thanks but no thanks) and do not see the life of an Easyjet pilot/Captain as a dream I wish to make real. No way José !

I am all for continuing improvements with NJE so it truly becomes a long term career but what will make me stay, just like what made me leave the previous company, is whether or not I like what I do, in the environment it is in with the good things and bad things weighed against each other.
If the answer is yes, then the computer says "Yes"

It is really important when you join NJE that you ask yourself and others as many questions as possible because having most of the answers will help you in making the decision which is right for you.
I think I managed to do that and if the company isn't perfect, I do not regret a single second my move to GA a la Netjets.

Happy new year all

sonicguy

Friends that are working for Easy want toi join Netjets because they are fed up with Easy destinations, no fun and a lot of work!!!