Is DEP long haul finished this year?

This is what I came up with for day 1 as of June 2016 (kindly add/correct).

1) Verbal Reasoning

36 "Follow Direction" type questions in 18 minutes, multiple choice;
Paper and pencil. If answer not clear do not guess (negative points?).


2) Numerical Reasoning

24 problems in 12 minutes;
Paper and pencil, multiple choice, no calculator. Written calculations allowed on extra sheet of paper. Skip difficult problems. If solution not clear do not guess (negative points?).

Examples (Not sure if there are both "simple calculations" and text problems or only text problems?):
- 12400 × 27=
- 3484 ÷ 2 ÷ 10=
- What is x if y=5 type equations
- What is the difference in speed of 2 airplanes if the first one covers 0000 miles in 0 hours and 0 minutes and the other covers 0000 miles in 0.0 hours?


3) Flight Director Test
Keep FD centered using joystick
Compare numbers (aural) and note if difference in sequence
Listen for shapes and note color/number

4) Flight Crew Test
25 minute coordination test involving TCAS, ATC radio, altitude clearances, fuel, checklist etc..;

Now back to hitting the books :8 ;)

Good luck to all! :ok:

Thank you very much for your kind answers.

Even though I did NOT read all of the 150 pages of this post, I just passed Day 1 at LHR.
Now I am preparing for Day 2 (group exercise; interview and a presentation)


@bradandwhitney: when did you attend day 1? I did not had to do the FD Test.

Well done E170. :ok:

Just to be clear, the presentation you mention is one given by BA, not one you need to give.

Cripes, with this level of 'present ability' and ' potential' , there would be no need for training. You bods would fit straight into BA aircraft and operate across the pond to JFK. Is this how BA keeps training costs to a minimum ? Mate of mine, albeit with 30 years in the business and ex sponsored cadet was asked at interview for a new post if he drank and knew any jokes. He did both, enjoyed a celebratory glass of juice when told that his joke was of a very high standard and had passed the selection. Good luck fellas. If you are unsuccessful (don't like the word 'fail') you could go straight to NASA cadet selection and whizz quite easily through the programme. Good luck to all.

E170 are you referring to this part of their email?

'Your assessment will consist of:

- Interview with a BA pilot and HR associate
- Group Exercise
- Presentation with Q and A session, over a light lunch'

If you are I don't take that as a presentation you must conduct. You have me worried now ;) Can someone who's done day 2 recently clarify, before I get clarification from the horses mouth.

Did day 2 yesterday. BA staff give the presentation on salary, lifestyle, career progression etc. You ask the questions.

Hello guys,

But is it true that at the moment they are accepting and doing the assessment just for captain with the type or with experience on jets?

BA Cityflyer maybe (who might look like BA, but certainly are not), it's probably laughable anyone thinks BA mainline will hire Direct Entry Captains...

Really? Why you think so?
Because I see a lot of brokers, also big and famous companies, that are contacting captains for direct entry...

Il Marchese.....they are definitely not.

Mysteries of life...they are searching...but actually they are not searching!
:D

I'd avoid anyone claiming they can facilitate any such thing.

Is there any chance you can post or PM me a link/screen snap shot or similar to one of these brokers and/or their adverts because I suspect some people in the office at work might be interested in hearing if people are unofficially using the BA brand or name to generate business?

Just to be clear the standard method of recruiting to BA mainline has always started with individuals applying directly to the company once a recruitment window opens. AFAIK BA have never used "brokers" for mainline recruitment and I have heard no rumours on the company grapevine that they are about to do so.

In the highly unlikely event that BA have suddenly decided to use brokers anyone joining BA Mainline will most definitely join as a First Officer, at the bottom of the seniority list, regardless of the position and/or seniority they held at their previous company, regardless of what any broker says.

And just in case there has been confusion - as has been said BA Cityflyer is not the same as BA Mainline.

Il Marchese,

As Wiggy and others have stated, BA mainline do not accept Direct Entry Commands. The only way in is as an FO at the bottom of the seniority list. Anyone claiming otherwise is a wrong, and quite possibly trying to con you.

Hello community,

has anyone some tips how/what to prepare for the 747 Simulator Assessment?

There are lots of tips if you read back through the thread...

The first time I tried to get into BA, my daily ride was a 737 and I paid a fortune for practice in a full flight 747 sim. Didn't get in.

The second time, my daily ride was a 320 and I paid reasonable money for practice in a fixed base 737 sim. Didn't get in.

The third time, 6 months after the second time, I paid no money to anyone and just showed up. Got in.

Just saying :)

I practiced the hell out of the 747 on FSX, got in first time. There's a million different stories from a million different people (not literally). You can't use anything as a guide. Do what you think is necessary and do your best.

Can anyone confirm the Numerical and verbal reasoning tests have changed. I have a million practice types for the old style tests. Anyone have knowledge of where examples can be sort for accurate practice for the new style.

much appreciated

Sounds like the verbal has changed (maybe now easier).
Think the numerical is the same (but I went through in October).

Numerical-

*If it's 30secs per question and it's taking longer...move on
*you can eliminate some answers with rough maths
*just practice basic, FAST number crunching.

Good luck

What impact would a Brexit have on employment of non-UK residents?

Non-UK residents who are UK nationals: I can't see there being any reason for any change...fortunately most countries allow their own nationals to work within their own borders.

Non-UK nationals, regardless of their country of residency: Nobody knows.

IMVHO and as far as BA is concerned my guess is that if it's "leave", eventually and after negotiations there will be "grandfather rights" for those non-UK nationals already in BA to allow them to remain employed. For new recruits I'd hazard another a guess: based on the demand for employees and the numbers of suitable applicants within the UK and elsewhere BA will try very hard to ensure the UK government issues work permits/visas for those from the EU (and perhaps elsewhere) who want to join BA.

Knowing the way BA work I certainly cannot see them meekly accepting they can only recruit from the UK labour pool..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_clause

Well let's hope so. There could be severe work coverage issues otherwise...

Exactly. It's bad enough as it is..................

Well KLM employs almost interest Dutch crews (apart from ex KLMUK crews), Air France recruit almost entirely French people, Iberia entirely Spanish and Alitalia almost entirely Italian. They don't have problems keeping their planes crewed. Neither will BA.

Oh I agree they could in theory, but I rather suspect BA have a different approach to costs, and are less hindered/less limited by legacy agreements with the likes of professional associations, national educational requirements (e.g concours) and language proficiency than some of the airlines you have mentioned. BA sure as heck will want to continue to recruit from the biggest pool possible, to get what they want at a price they are prepared to pay.

Since you mentioned the Dutch..get rid of them from my Fleet's training department and we would be in severe do do, so I rather suspect regardless of the "in" or "out" the demography at BA isn't going to change any time soon.

In the context of this thread I certainly wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a Brits only recruitment policy, we're a heck of a long way from that, if it ever happens.

And all credit to BA for their recruitment policy - it is how it should be done.

From first hand experience KLM (and the VNV) do not follow the same rules.

The way that they treated the, generally, British pilots in the takeover of Air UK/KLMuk some years ago was disgraceful.

Compare the KLM takeover of AirUK to the way that British Airways integrated Cityflyer Express at LGW - no comparison.

One more reason to vote out.

Just to clarify, BA have plenty of trainers of many nationalities, more than a few of them Brits! I just picked the example of the Dutch nationality because I've worked with a couple of them and if a "no EU nationals" working at BA rule came in overnight that would leave the training department on at least one fleet a bit short, but not out, of trainers.. ..as for:

Not sure I'm on your wavelength and I really don't want to go off at a nasty tangent. Are you asking why BA don't currently give preference to British applicants for training positions?

If so I'd suggest it's because in the UK at the moment that would be very difficult to do easily and pretty much impossible legally. The UK system in general is quite permissive (for example professional organisations such as BALPA have no input into recruiting or selection for promotion/training), we don't really have a competitive national examination system to gate entry specifically into aviation, and we have a language that many europeans are frighteningly good at speaking. I like it the way it is, I think BA is the better for it, I accept others may think differently.

unless they buy an airline, Midland, Dan, BCal, Cambrian, for example.

Not strictly Direct Entry though are they?

Kind of a risky strategy to get a BA command though. First get a command at another company and hope IAG buy them. Further hope they are incorporated into BA. Further hope you pass the BA incorporation training. Still think it's easier to apply and do your time in the RHS myself.

VJW, I know of a Brit on 747 with KLM, commuting from the north east :confused:

VJW, you would never get a job with English level 4 at BA. You need to be fluent in the local language as in Af, KLM, LH,....
The foreigners who get a job in BA are almost bilingual, if you, as a Brit, are bilingual you won't have a problem getting a job in AF, KLM, IB,... It has nothing to do with nationality only with (language) skills, so where is the discrimination?

Hold pool update
 

I am currently bobbing along in the holding pool (12 weeks now) for LH. I spoke to them a few days ago regarding a course. They told me at the moment they are having an 'employment review'. This has resulting in the courses being put on hold while they decide on their requirements. Now they are unsure how long this could take, could be a few days, could be a few weeks, it's uncertain. They asked me to call back in another 2 weeks to see if they have an update. Thought I'd just let those fellow bobbers know in case they also had a heart attack when their phone rang with hope of start dates.

Have to admit that as someone in the hold pool today's result does not fill me with confidence. Repeat of previous years perhaps :ugh:

Thanks for the update Exina!

There's no real indication that brexit is going to affect the employment trend at BA at this point. The recruitment being done today is (as far as I'm aware) based on planned retirements, running the current schedule and the additional long haul hulls, not by expansion driven by the wonderful UK economic performance. If I'm wrong though, maybe those with the self entitlement to apply purely for long haul positions and therefore not taking one of the many available positions on short haul will regret their decision not to be able to join the company at the earliest opportunity.

As Plastic787 has said I don't think today's decision will effect the current round of recruitng.

Down the road it wil be interesting to see how this plays out for IAG as a whole and BA's part in it...

I doubt the profit warning issued earlier by IAG is good news for recruitment though:

British Airways owner IAG sounds profit warning within hours of Brexit result

TBH I wouldn't read to much into that warning.

Most of us on the shop floor were aware that last financial year's performance was an outlier and this current financial year profit levels would more than likely return to something more normal.