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To the kind person who offered to add me to the WhatsApp for withdrawn contract people... can’t sent over my number or the number of another chap in the same position, if you could delete the messages in your inbox so I can send them that’d be great. Thanks and apologies to everyone else for spamming the thread!
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Also re: not accepting govt help, I’m only going off a slide on a presentation I wasn’t meant to see outlining current operational proposals
‘BA not looking for government support to keep investor confidence high’ Make of that what you will and I tend to agree with those who have replied, but I’m just reporting what I’ve seen. |
This should clear things up a bit. Read it all, just not the headline.By Reuters |
From the BBC News website
‘But he added the government intervention - covering wages of up to £2,500 a month - would mean workers should be able to keep their jobs, even if their employer could not afford to pay them. It is understood the wage subsidy will apply to firms where bosses have already had to lay off workers due to the pandemic, as long as they are brought back into the workforce and instead granted a leave of absence.’ I think its certainly worth us asking. Unless I’ve got the wrong end of the stick it’s not going to cost BA any money and it would massively help out the people who are now unemployed since having their contract withdrawn. Fingers crossed they will understand and be willing to help. |
it is certainly worth asking, but it probably depends what the contract you signed actually says. Unfortunately, you were never actually on the payroll, and I suspect that might be an issue.
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There does seem to be a lot of naivety displayed here. As much as BA may want you to think you are joining a big happy family, I’m afraid that hasn’t been the case for many years. You will be regarded as a cost. Many years ago, pilots were historically treated as quasi managers in terms of terms and conditions. That was firmly stopped in 2009 with the Staff travel rewrite.
Many of our colleagues also believed that we were “professionals” with a firm contract. Again, we have been disabused of that notion. We are simply “piece-workers” as this unpaid stand-down has shown. You aren’t available to work, or we don’t have work for you to do? We stop paying you. BA is still an attractive place to work (compared to many of the other airlines), but come in with your eyes open, and be aware that on the day you join, you will have the best T&C’s that you will ever enjoy, as it will all be downhill from there. This isn’t meant to sound negative, just be aware of what you are joining , and how IAG and the BA board will do its upmost to strip the earnings out of the company, which directly affects your salary and lifestyle. Ask around how high CAP’s are and how many days are spent at work. It is relentless. As many find out at, say EJ or RY, it isn’t sustainable over a 30 year career. |
Originally Posted by hunterboy
(Post 10722933)
There does seem to be a lot of naivety displayed here. As much as BA may want you to think you are joining a big happy family, I’m afraid that hasn’t been the case for many years. You will be regarded as a cost. Many years ago, pilots were historically treated as quasi managers in terms of terms and conditions. That was firmly stopped in 2009 with the Staff travel rewrite.
Many of our colleagues also believed that we were “professionals” with a firm contract. Again, we have been disabused of that notion. We are simply “piece-workers” as this unpaid stand-down has showed. You aren’t available to work, or we don’t have work for you to do? We stop paying you. BA is still an attractive place to work (compared to many of the other airlines), but come in with your eyes open, and be aware that on the day you join, you will have the best T&C’s that you will ever enjoy, as it will all be downhill from there. This isn’t meant to sound negative, just be aware of what you are joining , and how IAG and the BA board will do its upmost to strip the earnings out of the company, which directly affects your salary and lifestyle. Ask around how high CAP’s are and how many days are spent at work. It is relentless. As many find out at, say EJ or RY, it isn’t sustainable over a 30 year career. |
Originally Posted by WorcesterPilot
(Post 10723031)
I can guarantee pretty much everyone who’s even stuck an application into BA, never mind actually got an offer, has spoken to someone who either works there or knows someone who does, usually coupled with a myriad of captains at our current airlines telling us we’re stupid for doing it. We know what we’ve let ourselves in for, we know we’re just a number just like we are at EZY, RYR etc. We’re just trying to stay positive, not being naive.
Couldn't agree more with Worcester. Also If you think your T's & C's are declining at BA you should see what the new COO of easyJet is trying to do. He's basically used COVID 19 as an excuse to put everyone on a Ryanair contract. No crew food, no tea or coffee, unable to refuse roster changes on report, back to full EASA FTL's, unable to refuse working into your day off, the list goes on... |
Rather lousy timing: Resigned too early, attempted to join BA too late, and as a final knock to the nads, too late to benefit from the benefit.
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