You my friend are 100% incorrect.

Hopefully somone who has benefitted for "Managed Path" will have chapter and verse but as I recall it Managed Path was the result of some discussion between some UK airlines and the UK Ministry of Defence (MOD), and certainly initially the MOD/UK individual services facilitated and administered the scheme internally. See the bottom of this page:

RAF Learning Forces - Flying Training

Quite correct. It is a retention scheme to allow British Military pilots to take the initial parts of selection and then just the simulator in the final months before leaving. The idea is to stop pilots leaving the military early in fear of missing out on selection.

Thanks for the info!

Sounds like a good deal for UK service men, they can count themselfs lucky.
In most places in Europe ex-mil is treated the same as just out of flightschool newbies.

AFrotary,

Unfortunately you will have to provide the full DEP requirements for an application and BA will not look at your military experience 'per se'. As discussed above the DEP 'Managed Path' was an agreement between the military and the CAA as to the necessary requirements of ex military pilots to gain (f)ATPL status. This allows the applicant to interview whilst still in the ATPL training process and whilst still leaving the MOD.

BA are willing to forgo the necessary licensing requirements for interview only (successful applicants will still be required to hold valid EASA licenses for the sim checks) to allow UK military personnel to attend the interview stage without the licenses being 'in hand' so to speak.

You can speak to your governing body to see if there are allowable exemptions for you through your authorities but you will need to attend an interview with the (f)ATPL(A) in hand I'm afraid.

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Mizar

Courses being postponed by at least 2 months for DEP who received a date? Anymore news on the inside? Is this because of crystal results?

I think slowing down courses for DEPs after the summer was always the plan. There's a very long list of moves from both LH and SH fleets to the 787 and other LH fleets, which are due to take place between now and the end of the year. It was the same pattern last year.

It's purely because the training department(s) are working at max capacity.

Around 170 to be recruited next year (always was a planned slow recruitment year) and then between 250-300 a year for the 4 years after that. All is good.

2017 is the only year in the foreseeable future when no (or maybe 1?) LH aircraft are due to be delivered so slower recruitment would be expected. 250+ a year for 4 years seems optimistic though!

Retirements and part time....

Here's part of the reason recruitment will go up significantly:

By sheer coincidence I was going through some files at home yesterday and came across the letter the company sent in 2006 detailing changes to compulsory retirement ages for pilots. The ability to work on as a pilot at BA to age 65 took place 1st Oct 2006..

I'll let you all do the maths, but would add that when demography meant retirements picked up just prior to the 2006 change the status lists on Bidpacks made interesting reading (i.e highly fluid).

Not sure if its accurate but I was told that a new Pilot Manger will be taking over so I guess thi smay slow future DEP recruitment.

On the PPruNe forum for the BA FPP, Lindsay Craig has said and I quote "it's time for my recruitment wings to take a break! After 1000 pilots recruited I'm handing over to a new manager at the end of this month, so she'll be looking after things from thereon in." I'm not sure though Club World that that implies a slowdown in DEP recruitment.

The current Pilot Recruitment Manager is indeed leaving however, as Wiggy has said there is a continuing need for pilots at BA for the foreseeable not least because of the retirements. It's just going to be a different person in charge of it, the need will still be there and won't (shouldn't) be affected.

I agree with Rex. The number of pilots required in BA is driven by lots of different things (retirements, part time working, avaliable slots, business plans, numbers of aircraft in different fleets and crewing ratios, training capacity, simulator availability, projected sickness levels, rostering systems, etc).

The Pilot Recruitment Manager and his team run the numbers and parameters and eventually come up with the plan (which varies frequently) in conjunction with BALPA. This plan includes recruitment.

In practice, replace person A with person B and you end up with the plan. The personality won't change the plan as much as you imply, the other factors will have a greater impact.

Ok that's good then, I guess one of his two deputies will most likely takeover and carry on from previously unless they decide to change the whole selection process

Hi All!

Would be possible to have any feedback from someone who has recently attended the sim session??
thank you very much in advance!
Regards

Angelo26

The new pilot recruitment manager will be a non-pilot on an office contract rather than a management pilot like Lindsay was. I don't think it was entirely Lindsay's decision to stand down. It's all part of 'streamlining' the business under the new CEO.

Champ

I would have thought replacing someone doing two jobs, having them go back to their day job and getting someone else in to do the other job on a full time basis was the polar opposite of streamlining?

Not saying I agree with it, but I've heard the opinion expressed well before our current CEO arrived that it was a waste of resources to have a pilot holding a management post that could be performed by a non pilot. Basically the opinion expressed was that a Pay Point XX pilot should flying the line, not sat at a desk.

Edit to add: To avoid any misunderstanding - Personally I think manager pilot recruiting should be a pilot, but I'm not an accountant.

Yes I agree it would be appropriate to have a actual "pilot" taking over the Pilot recruitment and not some HR person, I guess this non pilot will have people doing cartwheels and tunnel building as part of the pilot selection process in due course that is if they change the current selection process, at least with LC and his team you could chat to them directly.

You would think. As wiggy alluded to, whether LC was sat at Waterside or flying the line, he still took up a sim slot every 6 months regardless of how many hours flying he carried out. The new CEO views this as an inefficient use of resources.

Personally, I agree with wiggy. You want the head of pilot recruitment to be a pilot. How much difference to the bottom line is it really going to make vs the quality of candidates recruited and how BA are perceived in the industry?

Champ

LC was superb. Everything you want in a pilot recruiter. To have a pilot heavily involved in the process was excellent. He steered the ship very well. Thankfully I believe our pilot selectors will still be involved in the overall process though, namely during the interview phase and of course the final sim. So all is not lost.

Has there been any further movement in the holding pool?

Are days two and three still being held?

As far as I know, no.

We were told a few weeks ago there was to be no more courses to be allocated this year. Disappointing having been in the pool nearly 6 months but the need to sort out internal bids first is of course understandable. 2017 plans should be finalised by early to mid October so hopefully we will know more then. I know through friends a few sim sessions are still to be completed, no idea about day 2.

Anyone got the sim on 21 Sep afternoon slot?

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Sim in Sept
 

Anyone got a sim week beginning 26th sept??

PM me if you do :)

FYI- few weeks ago prior to my sim, BA emailed me with the details of my sim partner who wanted to get in touch and gave permission for them to forward his phone number and email. Might have better luck trying that, rather then using prune ;)

Anybody waiting for october slots has been able to book them since yesterday?

Hi all!
I am waiting to book a sim.
Any suggestions on to how to book it??
I got an email about 3 weeks ago about the new platform.
I did all the required steps but still no news.
thanks for the help
Best Regards
Angelo

Anyone know with reasonable certainty how many are in the pool? And approx SH/LH mix?*

*fully aware postings could be to any fleet

80 Pilots are waiting for their Sim Slots.
I am already waiting for 2.5 month now.

Ladies and Gents,
I just started to prepare myself for my upcoming Sim Screening.
There are quite some diverse informations out there concerning the program.
I would appreciate, if someone who just attended to the screening could contact me per pm.
Anyway I am open for any tips and advices.

Thanks a lot in advance.

Anyone have an idea as to when the recruitment will be open again?
Can't find anything on their website. A link a couple of posts a few pages (308) back shows
Vacancy Closed.

Word on the street is all is on hold until the full business plan is announced...sometime soon.....

Without going into exact details current thought is there will be ( very low) three figure DEP recruitment, timing of recruitment unknown.

Wiggy is right but it's also worth pointing out again (as has been mentioned many times recently in this thread) that 2017 was always going to be a comparatively slow recruitment year (measured against 2015 & 2016 anyway). The large numbers resume from 2018 onwards.

Guess it's a good time to have recently been told you're swimming then ;)

Cant tell if the last comment is sarcasm, none the less as someone who recently started swimming i dont know if i should be worried......