LH Holding Pool
 

Hi All

It all seems to have gone quiet on here regarding people being rescued from the pool.

Which LH fleets are currently being allocated?

Any info appreciated

:cool:

I believe only 777/747 and possibly 380. I was told a few months back that the 787 requirements were sorted for the next 6 months or so.

Sounds like a 6-7 week average wait at the moment from entering the pool.

I have also been told 777/747 at the moment. I believe 380 is for just a few who are already rated going through the process.

Has anyone got any information on the new style verbal test?
PM me please if you do?
Thank you

Hey guys

I know this might have been asked a few times before, but I still got no answer. Anyone on the 777 right now with a recent roster?? Did EASA bring a lot of changes? How many days off a month on average? What´s the minimum?
What´s the trend in quality of life?
Your input is highly appreciated, thanks!

lhchris

It's all here, seek and ye shall find.......

Being lazy (and busy) I'm not going to type it all out again but look at the Triplines on post #2658 from 12th of Feb (page 133 of this thread on my browser), and the comments in the posts made by various others about Blindlines, etc.

My post contained March rosters so early days of EASA compliance for Long Haul, and as for a trend - well, don't expect any improvement. As an example the pilots on Reserve at the moment seem to be getting hammered with work (i.e. absolute minimum EASA days off between trips). Going to be an interesting summer.

Wiggy
I hear new joiners on the A380 are being trained as Cruise only co-pilots for at least a year. Is this a new lower pay scale position.
I didn't think BA employed pilots not trained/qualified for t/o and landings down route.

I know nothing of the plans for DEPs onto the A380, but BA did certainly ask for volunteers to be cruise only pilots on the A380 a fair while back. These volunteers were fully trained as normal line pilots; they simply needed simulator details for their recency because they were not obtaining landings on the line. I do not know the reason why they would require cruise only pilots now though because we are only one hull below the maximum planned. Volunteers were paid their ordinary salaries as far as I am aware.

6 months. Full FO pay. Full rating on licence. Reason is lack of line training capacity.

cessnapete

Can't add much to what p0tt3r has written, other than add that there's certainly no talk on the line of cruise only pay scales or long term cruise only contracts.

FWIW BA tried a similar temporary cruise only system briefly on the 744 a long long while back when most of it's work was ultra Long Haul which meant it was difficult for co-pilots to retain recency. It ended up being difficult to administer and meant scheduling lost flexibility with no financial gain to the company. It didn't last very long.

Early DEPs onto the 380 had their cruise stint cancelled as they found some line training capacity. The rough timescale is 6 months (to tie in with a recurrent sim), but it seems quite flexible.
As Wiggy alludes to, they'd rather have you line trained. Much more useful to the company/fleet.
Certainly no ulterior motive that I'm aware of.

Any ideas if DEP will open soon again?

Not for a while, due to some IT upgrade of the recruitment system. I don't think I'm allowed to post the numbers, but they have made offers to a reasonably large number of folks already this year.

No idea as to the numbers required for next year, but BA isn't getting any new hulls in 2017.

Abu Dhabi 747 Sim
 

Anybody in the Middle East waiting for their BA sim check? If so, fancy going halfsies on the 747 sim in Abu Dhabi?

Just a word of caution about spending a large sum of money on the 747 practice, a friend of mine had his sim changed to the 757 on the day and I have heard about this happening to several other people recently.

Won't be happening for much longer, if at all. The 757 sim has recently been sold and is in the process of going.

What are the proportion of recent fleet type allocations for new hires? What percentage are getting A380, A320, 777, 787 and 744?

Also, when are you expecting the first A350 on property?

Next seat/type bid window isn't currently open, will be in July (for one month) - that's when there might be the first signs of internal bids for the type being available.

In service dates vary dependent on source, but AFAIK first A350 to BA isn't due until late '17 at very the earliest.

Traditionally and for practical reasons the early courses on a new type are populated by existing trainers from within BA (both P1 and P2).

Latest info on the 350 is sim arriving Jan 2018 and first frame Q3 2018. I doubt we will see any bid until next year.

Hi all. Hoping someone can supply a few examples of a junior 787 roster. A brief outline of the type rating timeframe would also be very useful.

Feel free to pm.

Thanks

Fishing
 

Anyone been fished from the pool this week? Waiting time and fleet? :ok:

Does anyone know what the actual minimum hours are for Direct Entry is? The website previously stated 3000h and from memory a requirement for something like Boeing or Airbus time but that has since been removed and now just says the programme is for "experienced pilots". Any advice on minimums would be helpful.

Thanks

Sim assessment
 

Hi all,

Had the day 3 sim assessment over 2 weeks ago now but still not heard anything. Does anyone know how long to wait before a reply?

Many thanks

Hey did mine on a Saturday and found out on the Wednesday late afternoon. I thinks it's a bit random. People go for weeks without hearing then get a yes. Not sure of the internal workings! Keeping my fingers crossed for you! :-)

You're a gentleman, thanks :)

Hello chaps, just done day 1 of assessment for DE long haul.
Has anyone got the pay scale for FO's please, I can't trawl through 148 pages at this time of night!!
Many thanks,
Stu

They'll show you the most up-to-date version at Day 2 assessments as part of the lunch break-out presentation.

Would a BA Longhaul F/O take home close to what an EZY or RYR Captain does?

With some of the recent junior Airbus commands at LHR (pp2!!!), you will now find EZ and RYR pay their skippers considerably more than BA pay their own.

Day 1 FO L/H takes home about £4000 net, I've been here just over a year and have got a bit more of a grasp of bidline and take home £4000-£4500 most months now, couple of months have hit ~£4800.

Thanks HPbleed, about what I thought. Just wanted to see a table to give me an idea of about 10 years hence.

Thankyou all for the info.

That's almost £120,000 gross assuming he pays into the pension.
That's not bad for an 8 year FO which is what I presume he is with that length of service.

Is that still realistic for a new joiner??

Unless I'm mistaken he's a FO and also a TRE... Don't duppose every FO makes that, but the option is there I presume.

I also imagine that they are on the 25-point pay scale, not the 35-point system which applies to new joiners. So the comparable rise for an pp8 LH FO would be about two-thirds the amount over 8 years. Not taking in to account the TRE increment which I imagine wouldn't have changed.

Not BA, so I'm sure somebody will be along to refine my calculations shortly :}

is LC still pilot recruitment manager?

Theres about £6k difference for PP8 between the 24 and 34 year scales

Yes LC is still doing a stirling job along with his small and stretched recruitment team. You really couldn't have a better guy running the show.

I can concur with regards to LC. I went through something horrible 'at home' while I was going through day 1 last year, and while I didn't pass, he called me and spoke to me about it all, and really showed he cared. It meant a lot I have to say, and makes me more determined to get in this time.

That's good I heard a story his days were numbered that's all. Glad he is still doing good work.