Yes, we definately ALL need to remain members of BALPA, if not get MORE to join up! Leaving now will only have a detrimental effect on our cause. We can decide what to do with put memberships once armed the knowledge of the final settlement.
What is getting to me is the length of time, how much this whole thing is dragging out! A combination of the company, BALPA and red tape I guess?!
So... WHAT NOW???
COME ON!
DO SOMETHING!!!
Ballot? Talk? Negotiate? Demand? Walk out? Work-to-rule?
Aaargh!

exactly .........everybody i think knows wha they want but its not happening balpa for goodness sake do something !!!! this is becoming a joke :ugh:

chopper , i most sincerely hope we stop being so spineless !!!!!!

there is definately an elite group making a lot of money from a lot of unhappy, tired , disillusioned workforce. I am totally confused that so many 'clever' people do not understand the people that are making them a lot of money have had enough .....completely confuses me !!!!!!

Got it in one, fella.

Do you think Bob Crowe or Tony Woodley would have put up with all this c..p from Frenchy.

Stick to your guns on this one cos you've come too far now and have to see it through but when it's sorted, resign from BALPA en masse and save yourselves some dosh, all join the RMT or something, vote them in as your collective baragainer and then get down to business and see how real unions work. BALPA's nothing more than an ever so nice talking shop cos the pilots they represent are too nice when it comes to negotiating.

I don't expect the same salary as British Airways, but here is what BALPA can do at other companies, at 2% my 4 years salary would increase by £600!!

:ugh:

People should try not to get so emotive about this, pay negotiations are like buying a car, the company offers their best deal we say no and so on until an acceptable position is reached. That's why we should vote no, I don't think we're anything close to the companies best deal, after all the directors got a very large rise, and they've ordered these aircraft, there's clearly money in the pot. In addition we're very low paid relative to other major players, and let's face it we are a major player who is highly likely to become a mostly jet operator in the next few years.

At the end of day we have to fight for the best deal for us just as the directors will fight for the shareholders.

Ps I'm left seat.

Whichever way you look at it a pay increase below inflation is unacceptable, even with the smoke and mirrors used by the company. My no is in todays post.

Afterglow.............don't get so emotive that with respect is the most uninlightened statement i've heard . Our terms and conditions and pay not only effect us and sets a precidence but it effects our families , and the way we live . I honestly believe if the company genuinely could not afford it , we would all be behind them but this like everything in life these days is down to money. Earning millions is not good enough ,they are prepared to not care about us so they can earn millions plus a "little bit more"

I cant believe its got to this stage .... but i,m ashamed for them !!!!!!!!

SW, is that a polite way of saying they're being just a little bit pathetic!?

Thats my reply to the companies final final offer in the post again!!
NO box ticked.
When will they listen??

And It's a No from me.......

Another NO enroute here...

I'm afraid it's a NO from me as well, Jim. Sorry about that.

No from me, but without an apology to Jim. If he wants to be treated like a grown up, he'd better start bloody well treating us like grown ups too.

Regrettably and setting aside all the emotion that this is generating it's still a NO as well

The NO is in the post from me too, a sensible offer next time please Jim or the next vote will be on taking action !:=

No from me too. RPI already 4.5%, forecast to rise above 5% in the very near future. When will people get it that any pay "increase" less than this is a pay cut.

Read the notes on the pay summary and see that even when we are offered RPI +0.5% it is capped at 4.5%.

They want us all to sign up to a pay cut until 2013.

The company is doing well enough to warrant large bonuses all around at the top, and all they are prepared to give us is a pay cut and a couple of hours off extra at the weekend.

No thanks.

The Flybe share price is really getting hit recently.

Currently trading at around 250 - Down 15% over a week.

This is not on the back of any real news, looks to me like the market is starting to price in industrial unrest...

or the high price of fuel - how well are Flybe hedged for the summer?

Fuel shouldn't be having much of an impact. In 2010 it made up about 16% of their costs and currently 90% hedged (67% for 2012).

Also the share price of their peers hasn't been hit as much, especially in the last week. From an investors perspective I can't see what else could be causing this recent weakness other than possible industrial action.

Also there is currently increased competition from the bigger boys, easyjet and bmibaby have Flybe firmly in their sights...

I so wish I could vote too it would be a NO:= too But I have voted with my feet instead

Don't hold out any hope that your NO votes will result in anything more on offer. The current BALPA touring circus has been rather enlightening and shows why they have failed so emphatically to achieve anything, even with an 80% mandate from the last ballot.

When they reach your base, see what they have to say for themselves. Management apologists and trying to employ scare tactics against FOs in particular to encourage everyone to vote YES. Quite disgusting in my view and they seem to have forgotten just who they are representing. Makes you wonder if they are getting a nice little backhander from our directors to scupper the vote.

Time for a vote of no confidence in the entire CC and get some reps with a bit of backbone and who don't invest their time in promoting their own pet projects.

I would have said that i am sure the BALPA reps would never be swayed by management just to get us to vote yes, but i have heard the same sorry story from several different sources from several different bases!1

No smoke without fire?????? :confused:

I spent a good bit of time chatting to the reps. One was very much trying to sell me the current offer. He seemed fed up with the whole thing and just wanted it to be over. The other was of the opinion that it was my vote to use as I wished. I feel that recommendation was a condition of the company.

The long and short of it was that very little more will come from negotiation and I guess we all know what comes next. Now is the time to show some backbone and not be pushed around.

Well done on the arriving on time performance everyone, not good enough for a pay rise though.


Thanks

where is Noel Edmons? I thought he was supposed to be presenting Deal or No Deal??!

Why does management make it like this??
Crews are fed up, tired, broke and p*ssed off!!

Just reading the BMI thread here, apparently things are picking up nicely from their insecurity of the take over, crews are happy, salary is ok, rosters are fine!

There are endless companies out there, BA, virgin, monarch, Thompson, BMI to name but a few where people are happy to join, work and stay for a career!

Why do Flybe management seem to be going out of their way to upset people, make people want to leave and are only happy with their new cadets on the lowest salaries????
They will take the credit when things go well and accept the awards, but not bothered about their staff!!

Get your CVs polished because from what I hear BA and Easy will almost certainly open up soon...

I'll keep voting No until it's a realistic offer (RPI minimum then RPI +X)

Anyone else feel it's time for a few changes down in Exeter? From my limited business knowledge and common sense I don't think many good decisions are being made down there.... Hopefully the share holders will carry out a few lynchings. Because Jim that's who you answer to now, Just like your lowly paid pal Willie does.

No from me
 

I hope what you are saying is right, my CV is polished and re-polished and my No vote is with the Royal Mail on the way to Balpa.
What were they thinking about, why did they write in the letter we strongly advice to vote in favor? what world do they live in?
Whatever the outcome Im going to give myself a pay rise of 1% at the end of this ordeal.

I bet the reps really feel like they really have your genuine, unwavering and total support with statements like that.

Dont know whats on the agenda but i have heard some balpa reps saying they are voting no , and i've listened (and read letters from reps basically telling us to vote yes ) This makes me feel very very uncomfortable. We all pay a lot of money to Blapa ................how dare they advise me how to vote ................do they not think i'm intelligent enough to decide myself. Maybe balpa have been influenced depending on what "superior" fleet they are going to move on to !!!!

Sounds like you'll be better off with some different reps - still! Somebody who can actually stand up for you lot. Somebody with a pair.

Why would you expect a pay rise just for arriving on time? That is our service delivery expectation.

HidekiTojo,

Good luck, get your CV into BA or Easy or who ever else. I am assume you work for Flybe, if that is the case, no one forced you to work for Flybe, so if you are not happy, I wish you well. Good bye.

We have been told this week that due to our "great and glorious" flight efficiency scheme, we have saved £1.3 million. We could have been getting to destinations early, we could have been flying at MCR speeds, we could have been using APU power as opposed to GPU power on a freezing cold day, we could have done 101 other things that would have cost the company more than we actually did.

Morale in FlyBE is at a critically low point. Those who are voting yes to this deal, are typically self-interested, hyprocrits - eg - those who don't give a rats tail about what the conditions are like for everyone else.

Above all else though, we do try and arrive on time for each and every flight. It's not easy, bearing in mind many factors - including the technical reliability of the Dash, we make up lost time. We will remain professional about our jobs, despite that fact that most of us are physically exhausted from working incredibly long (but they're OK, because the system says it's legal!!) duties.

Our madate isn't to get passengers from A to B on time... but to get them from A to B safely.

And is it easy to do that when you've slept for 2 hours, you're worried about the next bill arriving on your doorstep, you can't afford petrol, you're physically exhausted after a long week of work and you're living on utterly sh!t food on the aircraft.

Assymetricdrift,

Well said mate I think your views which are exactly the same as mine and are hopefully what most people think to.

Safety which you brought up is not "prime importance " anymore its all down to people at the top making as much money as possible.No matter how much profit is made ....its never enough. Misery for the workforce is an acceptable price to pay for just that little bit more profit

And the way we get treated through the scheduling agreement and day to day rostering happens very simply because they can ...........human nature

Finally add all that up and what you get as a reason is GREED

Guys wake up and just understand the very very simple fact ..........they are not nice people simple as that !!!!!

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Lord Brown

What's the point of your post?

Oh woe is me. You're hardly on the breadline guys. Underpaid yes, no doubt. But still it's not that bad. And why only sleeping 2 hours? Surely you are working within FTL schemes? And you have a professional duty to be at work fit to fly.

As has been pointed out no one forced you to join Flybe. They clearly don't care about you, an attitude they also carry over to their pax from what I can see. But all those waiting for Easyjet to open up, I hope it's not a vast pay increase you think you'll be moving for. Once you pay for a TR and get screwed on the contract you may be losing sleep for a different reason.