Just wondering, but at what point does having a lot of grounded aircraft due to strike action become more expensive than the cost of the payrise/ sheduling agreement? Given the figures published for the cost of the payrise and the costs associated with the volcanic ash/ December snow, I'm guessing it's only a day or so

In the great scheme of things your pay rise is probably small change to a company with the revenue of flybe. However, I suspect that your 'macho' management will blythely accept any costs and damage to avoid losing face and making concessions to its workforce.

time to move
 

Lets just all hope Easyjet, BA and company starts to recruit soon, direct entry fo captains, or even trss.

Time to move

Direct Entry Captains at EZY. From Flybe?!?!?! Is it April 1st?

Flyhigh2fly,

BA have already started recruitment,140 this year,140 next year and the same planned after that too !!

So you have you wish/chance :ok:. good luck with it to all at Flybe.

I was there when it was great shame to see its where it is now :sad:

been reading this thread with interest - as an ex-flyBE B146 f/o....... i'm now an EZY captain on the bigger bonus but still have regular thoughts about moving back to flyBE for a better lifestyle.

I hope you guys resolve this to your/BALPA's satisfaction - t'was a great airline once y'know.

You'd be a fool to give up the easy pay and the airbus to fly for Flybe, there is no lifestyle here anymore plus the dash trash is exactly that.

I understand life at easy is no holiday camp but at least the pay doesn't leave you eating beans on toast 6 days per week.

I'm outta here asap and I won't be taking a command on the dash EVER. Most jet FO's have no plans of a dash command either. The emb TR will be a ticket to much better things in the next few years. It's becoming an ever more popular aircraft.

'Direct Entry Captains at EZY. From Flybe?!?!?! Is it April 1st?'

Nope direct entry F/O will do just fine.

There is no lifestyle at Flybe anymore to make up for the lack of salary.
That's why people in both seats are already going else where for better lifestyle and plus the salary.

The usual is 54/56 hours off between 5 day stints. Think Easy, Jet 2 and all are way better contracts!!

Potato Man

Out of interest , why would you consider coming back to Flybe from Easy?

Regards P

Maybe he likes Pot Noodles

So they've had another meeting, looked at what we want, then.... Scheduled another meeting! aaargh!
They sure as hell know how to delay the process. Over a year so far!
Another wait then.... 8th March.
Ho hum.

Reading this thread reminds me exactly of Balpas dealings with Easyjet in the early nineties. Secret meetings, lack of communication with the members etc.
Oh and ultimately a big let down and the reason I left Balpa.( (for the second and final time)
I really hope you guys have better luck.

Why does it take 3 weeks to organise the next meeting?? :ugh:

My reaction exactly. I don't understand why this has to take so long, especially since the results of the base tours by Balpa are similar to the managements experiences.

I can see the "final" offer being changed ever so slightly and another ballot, that will be another 2-3 months down the pan.

I thought the company had made it very clear that there was no more negotiation to be had. Or was that scare tactics? Surely, following the overwhelming rejection of the derisory offer the next step is for ACAS to go in and try to save the day before a ballot for strike action?

Over the past couple of weeks I have met at least 6 pilots who are off for better terms and lifestyle, and I know there is another dozen in the pipeline already!!

Sign of things to come???

I'm 100% positive it is a sign of things to come but are these folk definitely heading off with a concrete offer or just one of the many hoping to?

Where are these 6 off to? I'm hoping to escape ASAP

Concrete !!!

It would seem there is an 'exodus' epedemic at most of the less glamorous airlines. Is everyone jumping ship towards the same flames, or will there be a shuffling of personnel from one heap of poo to a slightly less smelly heap of poo to replace the exodus from somewhere higher up the food chain? Poo is still poo when you are in it, but a few extra sweeties help. The only good thing about being up to your neck in poo is to make sure it's feet first.

It occurs to me as an outsider that Flybe management might actually want their staff to go to pastures new. It would then mean that the plethora of newly qualified, desperate-to-get-a-job low-hours pilots would jump at the chance of the new "recruitment surge" that would happen and not bother to see how much they are getting paid or how many hours they will be working until far too late.

I guess if people really want change to happen at Flybe, they have to stay there and force the change to happen rather than vote with their feet.

Just my tuppence worth. :)

Good luck to you all, and really hope something good comes out of it for you.

I heat "the daddy" is now in charge of dishing out jobs at Qatar now if your interested?

Ahhh Captain C....awesome news! Oh how the French miss his dulcet tones :)

Most (if not all) are going to Gulf Air.
I understand the remuneration is in the region of £10,000 per month, tax free.

From what I've heard it's closer to £8.5k/mth for DEC. For F/O it's £5k/mth. And of course, no tax to pay.

What The Hell Has This To Do With This Thread !!!!

We can't say. He's armed and dangerous :E

Mate, honestly, is the Grand Fromage at gulf air now?

The daddy?? Who is that.....is it Mr Cheese himself??

Bloody hell even management have had enough!

I hear of approx 20 resignations recently.... I personally know several who have applied elsewhere.

I dont know what we should do guys.
I'm talking for now - to refresh this plodding thred.
This is our problem - the middle east is just about in melt down. Oil lives in the middle east (in general).If the unrest in Tunisia, Egypt, Bahrain,LIBYA(1/2 Opec reserve), Oman spreads to Saudi, trouble looms.
At the moment - $115 for a Barrel of oil. If Libya has civil war - which is probable and if troubles then spread to Saudi (again probable) analysts predict $200/barrel
10 years ago a barrel cost $25 and was the same price since the mid 80's ( inflation adjusted).

We aint going to win on the cash front. I think we take the financial side but barter on the terms side. Give us early starts/late finish to leave and im happy for now, all things considered. (PS just for now til the world economy is more stable then FSU!)

Cheers Jim.

'Strong' words eh?! ;)

Flytincans
Yes good to have a reality check every now and then.....:\
And who is AL? Aer Lingus?
DHL AIR have just taken on about 20+ F/O's and still looking. Based LEJ however

You make a very good point tincans. Using BA as an example they have obviously shown an interest in type rated guys recently, and why not I suppose. They will have an absolutely huge application pool of type rated folk beating a path to their door. If anyone sees an exodus I would imagine it will be Ezy or RYR, as all the pay to fly heroes abandon their poor contracts at the first opportunity with no reprisals. Maybe then Ezy will realise the pitfalls of such schemes and return to employing experienced people. And so Flybe will empty to Ezy. But somehow I doubt Ezy will realise this and will keep on with the present policy.
And don't be too critical of them, after all Flybe are still taking on 200hr newbies.
In short it certainly would be a good idea to keep holding out for what you want, unless China or India hold any appeal the other offers may be limited for a while yet.

I wonder how the meeting went?!

They have probably decided on a date for another meeting :ugh:
Sorry.... am that kind of mood