Well I figured I'd rather be part of the solution than the problem, so I've reactivated my BALPA membership. I hope others do the same.

Good, that means I don't have to beat on you next time I'm down in the 2nd city

Now boys... what you get up to in your spare time... ;)

Seriously though, I think it's worth hanging in on the CC - I know they're doing the best that they possibly can do and the management aren't supposed to be that receptive of anything that has been put forward so far (quelle surprise!).

But... that last email that was sent around is quite indicitive that something is in the water. Whatever the outcome of this "something", then I hope that it gets the popular support across the board of us guys.

Exactly, they were never going to give anything away for free it's not their style. They'll give the absolute minimum they are compelled to, hence the wait to see the size of our collective cahones.

If it goes to ballot and people back down, or union membership is shown to be insufficient to have any clout, then it's game over and Flybe will be secure in the knowledge that their strategy of competetive advantage by the meanest pay and conditions will be set in stone for ever... and more importantly for any forthcoming floatation.

Last chance saloon.

Six-Sixty spot on! If you believe the companies figures about how many pilots opted out then you have already lost! Most people I have spoke to have opted out and Balpa has on record the real number!

This is the last chance for the BALPA and the CC. It is now or never. The CC can count on my full support over the coming weeks and I am fully prepared to do what has to be done.

It needs to be said though that if the pilot workforce as a collective fails to back up the CC the company will know it can do what it wants both in the short and long term. It is sad to say that after that there will be little point in remaining in the union and I would award myself a 1% payrise. If we can hang together and get a decent increase BALPA are welcome to the increase in subs they will have earnt.

Really? Proof? Why does it matter? You are all Flybe Pilots.

So when the Dash gets offered 10% and the 195 gets offered 5%, mutually inclusive are you going to vote for or against? Seeing as you earn all the money should you get a bigger pay rise? If you don't think that then why mention it?

I hope you get my drift, STICK TOGETHER and get the best for everybody.

And 58 Dashes cost? 12 195's cost? Salaries between each fleet cost? Revenue per flight comparison?

Anyway, your first post had a hint of you want what you earnt and you want it ASAP bugger the rest. Unfortunately in the past that has resulted in a less than better deal for the Embraer and 146 guys. Bear in mind that the Dash is the bigger fleet and, therefore, have the bigger vote it is highly likely that that is what will happen again.

Unless you all stick it up Frenchies bum.

TV's
 

Shiny TV's now appearing in Crew Rooms, possible new management tactics.

YouTube - Hypnotode

The fact that it's a frog is purely coincidental. :E

http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies.../happy0009.gif

That made me laugh so hard it's hurting Sharky12t :E

Yes, I wondered about the whole TV thing. It does say rather a lot about the lack of understanding in EXT as to what pilots and cabin crew do that they think we will be sitting around to be able to watch TV during our working day. :ugh:

In unrelated news, does anyone want to buy a telly?

Well, seeing as they won't give me a payrise! :E

I dont really understand that vi ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!!

Stand by lengthened !!!!
 

Now Flybe are really taking the p*ss,

Not only are Aprils pay discussions still being dragged out, blue skies scheduling seems to have been put on permanent hold, amongst other ways that Flybe are trying to break the pilots to a new low, but now;

Flybe have now told BALPA that stand bys will now be lengthened by 2 hours to 10 hours max." This will cause less disruption to the crews" - yes because we will have less time off.
Crewing will stand you down early if not required, but the duty hours will be recycled later in the month, hence more instability.
This will also mean that disruption payments will be harder to get as the original duty hours will be longer.

This has been forced through with no consultation!!
Wait to see what the next new low will be........

That is 'instability', not "unstability". :ok:

And another member of the PPRuNe Spelling & Grammar Police raises his head :rolleyes:

This latest move is despicable, indeed Serenity what is next on the drawing board? How much longer are we going to let them hammer us without action? It's time to unite as a crew and stand up and be counted.
I am thinking this is all a diabolical scheme to drive as many people from the company as possible to replace them with lower paid cadets. There can be no other reason.

Does the above not constitute a contractual change? At the very least it is a modification to the scheduling agreement and must surely be mutually agreeable?

This business of 'recycling' hours has been going on for a while anyway, we must all have seen the infamous "was xxx, now xxx due to high hours".

Oh, and as an aside....

it would be nice to wake up one morning to see "BALPA TELL Flybe that..."

Personally, I've had enough of the softly softly approach. I'm not saying all guns blazing, just that were meant to be on the same side and its time they took us a bit more seriously.

Unfortunately there is nothing in the current SA that stipulates what the maximum standby period can be. It was just the naive hope, I suppose, that the company would adhere to the spirit of the SA by keeping standbys to the 6-8hr range as they are with Block Stbys.

Ah well vaseline at the ready for a disruptive December, only 10 standbys to negotiate

we'd better all shut T.F up else stbys will go to 12hrs.

This place is starting to resemble Ryanair without the high pay and charming reasonable management :mad:

I'm I being a bit dumb or did balpa go into a meeting to complain about removal of the aims info and flights being uncovered for days until the morning of your standby to avoid a DP. They come out with an increase in stby duty length and the aims info back (which if you believe the original reason is now is contravention of the data protection act... I know, I know).

Top negotiation this............ I'll expect them to agree my pay cut by next week. :rolleyes:

Big Picture - If you're a BALPA member get on the company forums and let the council know of your concerns directly rather than blasting them on an anonymous forum. You'll find that one had absolutely nothing to do with the other

Big Picture

You'll also do well to get your facts right. The company arbitrarily increased standbys to 10hrs without consultation. Maybe you should retract what you said.

Ok ok, so the company fired this one out of their own accord. Yet another unilateral move by the management to cause bother and erode goodwill / moral. Nowt to do with the CC but I hope you can forgive my frustration.

I am a fully paid up Balpa member and the council have my support, maybe I'm just a little fed of the apparent lack of progress not unlike many of my colleagues in the crew room.

We're all feeling it mate. Hang in there, it can only get better..........it can't get much worse - or can it?

Yeah, keep the faith (company's taken everything else)

BOSD, hate to say this mate, but you're behind on your NotACs.

'Crew faith has had to be withdrawn with immediate effect, pending a cost neutral solution, to which of course we are fully committed. Any decision on hope is still to be made, but given the current financial climate, in which Flybe is barely surviving, crew must be prepared to make reasonable concessions to ensure the long term viability of the business.'

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

I'd abandoned all hope years ago, now back to the cricket

Darwin airlines buys flybaboo! In the paper this morning. I guess no swiss aoc then!

who believed that nonsense rumour anyway?

Where's Bob Crow when you need him?

Well there is the announcement of the float.... does this mean we have more bargaining power? Will the new shareholders be amenable to a pilot pay rise? Should BALPA publicise the workforce are disgruntled? Raises more questions than it answers for me.

BBC News - Flybe plans to join stock market

The profits are going somewhere...

Flybe set for £200m float - Telegraph

Chatting to an economist colleague of mine just this afternoon, he believed that potential Strike, or Industrial Action at the airline could affect the share price by as much as 30-40%.

Management have been fools to let this run on and on, it should have been nipped in the bud and implemented months ago. The BALPA 'demands' are not entirely unreasonable either.

Fingers crossed for a speedy resolution. I for one do not want to strike, it is unfair to our passengers, BUT I will if we have to.

Guys

Heard the City owes you a massive thank you for not derailing the flotation with talk of striking.

There was a real risk that your CEO wouldn't realise his £millions, so you've been a huge help. You can't imagine how close it actually all was - I heard a rumour that the deal team assigned a junior to check this thread!

Anyway, he'll be off soon to spend his money, so you'll be negotiating with a new CEO. The problem is that he needs profits to keep growing, and now you' re listed, they need to grow every quarter.

Your management team call can now tell you to F off properly with any talk of big pay rises/strikes, as if you couldn't get anything substantive out of them before the float, you're not now it's a listed vehicle.

I grant you FANS retort was brutal but its difficult to dispute the crux of his or her message.

Sometimes we get angry with people because deep down we know what they're saying is true - I feel thats whats happened here Wingo.

I'll get the lights, this threads over.

CB

I don't think anyone at Flybe was daft enough to think they could derail the flotation.

The real target of any industrial action will be be Summer '11. Will it be profitable or not? That depends on Uncle Jim's response to the announcement of industrial action.

Sorry if I missed this, but how many shares did the workforce get during this flotation. Did you have to pay any money for them?

Shares were given gratis (free) to all eligable employees in 2004 and 2006. The amount given to each employee depended on what there position was in the company and how long they had been in the company.
Shares were NOT given to the BA connect guy's when they joined as they were not a part of the company when the Share issue was first mooted and first round of share's issued.
If a employee then decided to leave the company from the time the shares were issued to the date of initial flotation then they forfeited there right's to there shares and these were put back into the pot for re-issue.

hope this helps.