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Meps was bought to the table by balpa pre covid. There is no doubt it saves money but it’s also a nice way to retire. Being able to plan to retire years ahead with a percentage of your salary for up to seven years will significantly help the pension and lifestyle pot.
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I Would really appreciate some 787 rosters if anyone has them and could PM me. Or at least trips per month and days off on average. Trying to compare my 78 current roster with a VS 78 roster to see how feasible it would be lifestyle wise
Many thanks!
Many thanks!
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Which roster would you like to see ?
This is what we got in the pub late the other night ... He's on the airbus and he were well disgruntled. Not 787 specific but it might give some idea.
LFH
Which roster would you like to see ?
This is what we got in the pub late the other night ... He's on the airbus and he were well disgruntled. Not 787 specific but it might give some idea.
- The roster which was issued because of a 'human error' and was cancelled 24 hrs after issue.
- The roster that replaced it, which bore no relation to the first and which arrived several days later, only a short while before the beginning of the month,
- The record of actual work done (or not done) which bears little similarity to either of the above rosters
- For payment of overtime, extra or disrupted flights,
- For unwise or barely legal scheduling economies
- To pay for the rumoured imminent mystery scheduling system. JSS Lite perhaps ?
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I hadn't realised a large part of Virgin orbit's debts are on Virgin Group's books. The latest developments there can't be helpful.
Times; "The company, whose LauncherOne rocket was unsuccessful in January, is to pause all its operations and furlough hundreds of staff amid financial pressure and a struggle to attract investors."
Times; "The company, whose LauncherOne rocket was unsuccessful in January, is to pause all its operations and furlough hundreds of staff amid financial pressure and a struggle to attract investors."
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Does anyone know if the requirement for SFO is 3000hours airbus/boeing time , or total? The job ad is amiguous. Thanks
You must be currently flying of have flown one of the following AC types in the last 6 months - Airbus A319/A320/A321/A340/A380
You’ll need a minimum experience of 3000 hours of total flying time on the above. This must include at least 500 hours current on type (hours spent solely as a cruise pilot are not included).
Any interpretations? 500 hours on type and 3000 total time just wishful thinking?
You must be currently flying of have flown one of the following AC types in the last 6 months - Airbus A319/A320/A321/A340/A380
You’ll need a minimum experience of 3000 hours of total flying time on the above. This must include at least 500 hours current on type (hours spent solely as a cruise pilot are not included).
Any interpretations? 500 hours on type and 3000 total time just wishful thinking?
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Does anyone know if the requirement for SFO is 3000hours airbus/boeing time , or total? The job ad is amiguous. Thanks
You must be currently flying of have flown one of the following AC types in the last 6 months - Airbus A319/A320/A321/A340/A380
You’ll need a minimum experience of 3000 hours of total flying time on the above. This must include at least 500 hours current on type (hours spent solely as a cruise pilot are not included).
Any interpretations? 500 hours on type and 3000 total time just wishful thinking?
You must be currently flying of have flown one of the following AC types in the last 6 months - Airbus A319/A320/A321/A340/A380
You’ll need a minimum experience of 3000 hours of total flying time on the above. This must include at least 500 hours current on type (hours spent solely as a cruise pilot are not included).
Any interpretations? 500 hours on type and 3000 total time just wishful thinking?
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The comparison was between staying and getting a command, or becoming a Virgin FO, not Virgin direct entry command - I'm pretty sure Virgin FOs don't get £164k/year.
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The quote was that LCC CPs are:
I don’t know any LCC CPs on £164k but a yr 1 VS SFO is on £82k basic.
Fletch:
I doubt BA would consider themselves a LCC though. How long after joining before you are on both £164k and a long haul fleet?
I’m a VS SFO, a couple of years in; last year I did 640hrs and made £104k gross, with extra working payments. Airbus Commands are currently going to people who joined in 2017. And I’ve been a LCC Captain - the pay cut to move across to VS (pre covid) has definitely been worth it. Long haul is not everyone’s cup of tea, I’ll grant, but few airlines are as good as they were 10, or even 4 yrs ago, including BA. What’s the time to RHS LH in BA at the moment?
If you don’t want to join, fine - you do you. We probably don’t want you, anyway. Good luck to the rest of you.
on roughly double that pay
Fletch:
British Airways it seems
I’m a VS SFO, a couple of years in; last year I did 640hrs and made £104k gross, with extra working payments. Airbus Commands are currently going to people who joined in 2017. And I’ve been a LCC Captain - the pay cut to move across to VS (pre covid) has definitely been worth it. Long haul is not everyone’s cup of tea, I’ll grant, but few airlines are as good as they were 10, or even 4 yrs ago, including BA. What’s the time to RHS LH in BA at the moment?
If you don’t want to join, fine - you do you. We probably don’t want you, anyway. Good luck to the rest of you.
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Not sure about orange or pink LCC but certainly RYR no line Captain is on anywhere near £164k. Even with the “you can earn £xxx that RYR spout which includes the pension contributions RYR put in. RYR state £8k pension contributions for Captains.
I didn’t take command at RYR moved on instead. As a year 1 I’m getting more pension contributions from employer then what RYR pay Captains!!
Add that to my predicted salary so far this year and glad I didn’t take command.
RYR year 1 Captain around £105-£110k if you take pension off.
Nowhere is perfect.
The only benefit of LCC I could see was the 5/4.
Command salary meh. Working up the pay scales of Virgin and BA you get a guaranteed payrise. Not massive but as above 4 years in either carrier £100k a year as an FO not adding on the pension, food, uniform costs etc etc is possible. When I told my mates who are LHS at RYR my take home plus pension it got them thinking!!
Answering the question LH LHS at BA is a way off, 15 years plus, I haven’t checked recently.
You slide over to that PP.
I didn’t take command at RYR moved on instead. As a year 1 I’m getting more pension contributions from employer then what RYR pay Captains!!
Add that to my predicted salary so far this year and glad I didn’t take command.
RYR year 1 Captain around £105-£110k if you take pension off.
Nowhere is perfect.
The only benefit of LCC I could see was the 5/4.
Command salary meh. Working up the pay scales of Virgin and BA you get a guaranteed payrise. Not massive but as above 4 years in either carrier £100k a year as an FO not adding on the pension, food, uniform costs etc etc is possible. When I told my mates who are LHS at RYR my take home plus pension it got them thinking!!
Answering the question LH LHS at BA is a way off, 15 years plus, I haven’t checked recently.
You slide over to that PP.
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Go to Virgin with 3000hrs on type and straight to £82k minimum.
So it’s not double even on FO pay. Captain after 3 years at RYR is around £120k from what take home I have seen that adds up to that.
Not even close to double even after 3 years LHS at RYR.
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...plus 15% company pension and full private healthcare for the family. And no Type-rating costs whatsoever (they may be bonding now, but pre-covid I wasn't bonded at all). So lob that onto your £82k. Any LCCs offer a free type rating, full PHI, and 15% pension?
Horses for courses, though: Stay low-cost and fly to ALC & back 5 times a week in four stripes for the next forty years, if you like. Personally I'd had enough; I am enjoying my flying and the social/travel aspects of the company, and just about manage to scrape by on a meagre £104k/yr as impoverished FO.
But, as above, not for everybody.
Horses for courses, though: Stay low-cost and fly to ALC & back 5 times a week in four stripes for the next forty years, if you like. Personally I'd had enough; I am enjoying my flying and the social/travel aspects of the company, and just about manage to scrape by on a meagre £104k/yr as impoverished FO.
But, as above, not for everybody.
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...plus 15% company pension and full private healthcare for the family. And no Type-rating costs whatsoever (they may be bonding now, but pre-covid I wasn't bonded at all). So lob that onto your £82k. Any LCCs offer a free type rating, full PHI, and 15% pension?
Horses for courses, though: Stay low-cost and fly to ALC & back 5 times a week in four stripes for the next forty years, if you like. Personally I'd had enough; I am enjoying my flying and the social/travel aspects of the company, and just about manage to scrape by on a meagre £104k/yr as impoverished FO.
But, as above, not for everybody.
Horses for courses, though: Stay low-cost and fly to ALC & back 5 times a week in four stripes for the next forty years, if you like. Personally I'd had enough; I am enjoying my flying and the social/travel aspects of the company, and just about manage to scrape by on a meagre £104k/yr as impoverished FO.
But, as above, not for everybody.