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Old 22nd Jul 2022, 12:50
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Virgin Recruiting

Just popped up on my LinkedIn. Airbus and Boeing looking for rated.
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Old 22nd Jul 2022, 13:12
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Anyone have an up to date pay scale (salary plus variable?). I believe during the previous recruitment if you had under 3000 hours you went onto an FO scale, and 3000+ was straight to standard SFO.

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Old 22nd Jul 2022, 15:33
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I canít apply. 17000 hours total time. About 15000 hours A320/330 and B757/767. Current TRE but only about 100 hours in the last 12 months. Shame.
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Old 22nd Jul 2022, 18:10
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Ts and Cs

I would also be interested in any recent information if anybody is willing to provide it either here or via PM. In particular pay scales, t&c's, rosters and the general life in the company.

Thanks guys.
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Old 22nd Jul 2022, 19:13
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Thanks for the table!

Can anyone explain the differences between the 3 columns?


All the best
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Old 22nd Jul 2022, 20:25
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Speaking to a mate who works there, he told me.

base contract - full time ( max 10 days off pm), lifestyle (additional 4 days off pm) lifestyle+ (additional 7 days off pm)

Pay was 20% less than other long haul operators due to only flying 750hrs, but now no limit ie 900 hrs pa, but pay still set for 750.

allowances set to HMRC worldwide rates, so don’t cover cost of down route subsistence in most destinations now

new scheduling agreement is basically EASA duty limits. Expect 2 days off after almost all trips, typical roster 5-7 flights + 1 week of standby per month

contract states which type employed on, so effectively not a seniority system any more. Last round of redundancy 20+ year captains on 747 made redundant

there appears to be significant numbers across all fleets and ranks starting to leaving
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Old 22nd Jul 2022, 22:29
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Anyone know if theyíll consider a Ďfrození ATPL? Iíve got the hours to unfreeze it but my airline wonít let me take the LST for the ATPL until the command upgrade.
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Old 23rd Jul 2022, 06:10
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Anyone know if theyíll consider a Ďfrození ATPL? Iíve got the hours to unfreeze it but my airline wonít let me take the LST for the ATPL until the command upgrade.

The advert says you need a full UK issued ATPL by the date of joining, so looks doubtful. I believe you need it to operate as a ĎCruise Captainí when thereís two FOís in the flight deck and Captain is in the bunk.
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Old 23rd Jul 2022, 06:58
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Anyone know if theyíll consider a Ďfrození ATPL? Iíve got the hours to unfreeze it but my airline wonít let me take the LST for the ATPL until the command upgrade.
Thatís very sly of them. May be worth just paying to do it yourself. Might cost a few grand but if it gets you out of a crappy airline and into Virgin a few years earlier itís paid for itself tens of times over. Granted youíll miss this campaign but itíll be fine for next time.

Pretty poor of the airline though, given it adds 10 mins max to a regular sim and then maybe 15 mins of admin for the training captainÖ
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Old 23rd Jul 2022, 07:46
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Originally Posted by am111
Anyone know if theyíll consider a Ďfrození ATPL? Iíve got the hours to unfreeze it but my airline wonít let me take the LST for the ATPL until the command upgrade.
You'd have to do an OCC on joining, so you could get the ATPL issued then. There is only one ILS separating you from an ATPL.
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Old 23rd Jul 2022, 07:57
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Originally Posted by Balvenie
Speaking to a mate who works there, he told me.

base contract - full time ( max 10 days off pm), lifestyle (additional 4 days off pm) lifestyle+ (additional 7 days off pm)

Pay was 20% less than other long haul operators due to only flying 750hrs, but now no limit ie 900 hrs pa, but pay still set for 750.

allowances set to HMRC worldwide rates, so donít cover cost of down route subsistence in most destinations now

new scheduling agreement is basically EASA duty limits. Expect 2 days off after almost all trips, typical roster 5-7 flights + 1 week of standby per month

contract states which type employed on, so effectively not a seniority system any more. Last round of redundancy 20+ year captains on 747 made redundant

there appears to be significant numbers across all fleets and ranks starting to leaving
Regards to the last comment, Iíve not heard of many leaving other then the senior pilots that have decided to take a financial incentive to leave, managed exit.

I do stand to be correct tho!

In my opinion Virgin is one of the best gigs in UK aviation.
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Old 23rd Jul 2022, 08:04
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Time to command for an experienced pilot joining now?

Also what's the pension and how much on top of those figures could you expect as an FO in duty pay etc. Cheers
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Old 23rd Jul 2022, 08:21
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Iím not to sure with time to command but if you plan on 7-10 years you wouldnít be far off

pension is pretty good, you pay 6% they put in 15% anything less then 6% and they put in 9%

flight pay is built into your salary so the above figures are all in! Whether you fly or not. Although you get an allowance for each trip which depends on location and duration. This is roughly 150-200$ For the average one night trip!

Apply, good luck! You wonít regret it.

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Time to command for an experienced pilot joining now?

Also what's the pension and how much on top of those figures could you expect as an FO in duty pay etc. Cheers
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Old 23rd Jul 2022, 09:18
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Rather vague to quote max days off as 10 pm.
what is important is the min days off according to tthe contract one decides to sign .
The ď lifestyleĒ contract offers 4 extra days off , based on what ? If one was awarded 8 days off
on a base contract + 4 = 12 days . Only 2 more than the quoted max of 10 days with a substantial
salary reduction Ö this will most likely happen imo.
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Old 23rd Jul 2022, 09:56
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How do HMRC rates stated by Balvenie equate to A320 baby 150-200 US for a nite stop?
Genuine Q
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Old 23rd Jul 2022, 10:34
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How do HMRC rates stated by Balvenie equate to A320 baby 150-200 US for a nite stop?
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Balvenie is second hand information mine is first.
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Old 23rd Jul 2022, 10:47
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Originally Posted by A320baby
Balvenie is second hand information mine is first.
thanks for that was he right about EASA FTLs?
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Originally Posted by VariablePitchP
Thatís very sly of them. May be worth just paying to do it yourself. Might cost a few grand but if it gets you out of a crappy airline and into Virgin a few years earlier itís paid for itself tens of times over. Granted youíll miss this campaign but itíll be fine for next time.

Pretty poor of the airline though, given it adds 10 mins max to a regular sim and then maybe 15 mins of admin for the training captainÖ
The fact that it says an ATPL on joining led me to believe they might still consider fATPL holders. Granted itíll put me on the back foot slightly but Iíd be happy to pay for an LST with a job offer in hand if thatís what is required.
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Old 23rd Jul 2022, 12:48
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Originally Posted by am111
The fact that it says an ATPL on joining led me to believe they might still consider fATPL holders. Granted itíll put me on the back foot slightly but Iíd be happy to pay for an LST with a job offer in hand if thatís what is required.
it doesnít work like that. Virgin will be swamped with experienced pilots with thousands of hours; so extremely doubtful theyíll make you an offer with conditions attached.
The onus is on you to make yourself marketable to virgin and to ensure you meet their entry criteria. Otherwise you will be unlikely to make it past even the first filtering stage Iím afraid.
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