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Old 16th Mar 2024, 01:48
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Originally Posted by Ohfeck
Hit the nail on the head with that.

I’ve heard the same from crew.

Some FO’s and crews are speaking of being bullied by “new” captains drunk on power and who wouldn’t have passed command a few years ago. That’s becoming a regular conversation now from crews and FO’s. Some are scared to fly with a few and it’s the same names that crop up.
Some so tired they fall asleep in jump seats on landing. And then the rank misogyny in the form of sleazy individuals trying it on.

And as for the LGBTQ inclusivity they love to advertise that they make a big song and dance about at interview….that’s a sham like so much in the Virgin 2.0. I know the trans women pilot they made a big supporting, she hated how they were making such a big thing about it, just wanted to get on with life. When we flew together when I asked her about it and she said that she didn’t want the fuss, that she only agreed to internal DEI stuff to help others and didn’t know they were slapping it into the media.
She has just left and is starting legal proceedings after complaining of being sexually harassed and bullied by other pilots, and from what I know she’s got a water tight case, hell I’ve even heard the disgusting gossip being spread about her by other pilots.. And before anyone starts making comments about her she’s truly a nice lady, a bloody good pilot and really intelligent. I’ve flown with her a few times and was very impressed with her performance. She’s left for a DEC at DHL I believe. So read into that what you will.

Sadly ever since the Covid thing it’s changed here at Virgin, and not for the best. It’s why I’m going soon and I’ve been here a long time. I’m fed up of having to second guess peoples motives, tired and fed up of the disrespect management have for us and lots of other reasons… basically nibbled to death by ducks!!
So I’m off with my mill pension and going to do short haul euro trip flying for a wee while until I retire.
Is there a problem with pilots and their mentality then? Is the company at fault because pilots are bigots?

You said:
“Some FO’s and crews are speaking of being bullied by “new” captains drunk on power and who wouldn’t have passed command a few years ago.”

Are pilots incredibly arrogant? Pilots bullying each other is pilot’s fault or the management of 2.0?
Few years ago, so weren’t they hired by VA 1.0? Whose fault is it again?

You also said: “She has just left and is starting legal proceedings after complaining of being sexually harassed and bullied by other pilots, and from what I know she’s got a water tight case, hell I’ve even heard the disgusting gossip being spread about her by other pilots..”.
Were they hired by or promoted by VA 1.0? Again, is the conduct at work, respect and professionalism the responsibility of…the pilots? Management hires under the conditions people will respect each other, whose fault is it and where does the responsibility ultimately lies in the daily operation when it comes to respecting your colleagues? Is there a problem with pilot macho culture?

You are talking about culture, yet won’t address the real issue that is the responsibility lies with us first ti make the work environment bearable for each other. Anything to deal with management, rant away, pay, schedule etc. I am sorry but what you’re saying doesn’t make sense and doesn’t tie up with what the previous poster implied.

You are tired of disrespect and you’re going to BA? Alright then…from someone with experience with the flag carrier devil, good luck.

For those looking to jump because of rainbows and makeup, BA is the same….by the way….

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Old 16th Mar 2024, 01:50
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Originally Posted by A320LGW
Incredible, thank you for the insight. It is very sad though it does all corroborate what I've been told about the place, and seems to fit in with this false image they are forcing on social media. Having to work with the likes of some of the sheer lunatics on this thread cannot be easy. I was put off the place and therefore won't bother applying. I hope it all works out well for you however.

Is that dog still barking in the opposite garden? It's well past their bedtime.
Yeah, don’t apply(wouldn’t be hired anyway)leave and let us have constructive discussions without your bigotry. Woof woof!🐶

Take a seat.
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Old 16th Mar 2024, 05:00
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As a member of the LGBTQ+LMNOP community myself, the way things are going at Virgin irks the hell out of me. All this virtue signalling by the woke lot, and the resulting media campaign doesn't help at all, in fact, it will backfire spectacularly. I've heard similar stories to the above regarding exasperated VS crew. We just want to get on with life, not to be used as poster boys/girls, whatever you want to call yourself.

This wanton virtue signalling is resulting in the inevitable hard pendulum swing to the right across the world, in every aspect, and Virgin will find itself on the wrong side of the pendulum, resulting in blow back from customers, and a generous portion of egg on it's face.

HUTT - a proud gay pilot looking forward to a return to normality. Let's just get on with life shall we? There's enough bollocks to deal with.
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Old 16th Mar 2024, 07:19
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Supposedly Instagram star pilot of Virgin is going to Global when it opens ……
so they’re not leaving then?
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Old 16th Mar 2024, 07:27
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Originally Posted by HeadUpTheTailpipe
As a member of the LGBTQ+LMNOP community myself, the way things are going at Virgin irks the hell out of me. All this virtue signalling by the woke lot, and the resulting media campaign doesn't help at all, in fact, it will backfire spectacularly. I've heard similar stories to the above regarding exasperated VS crew. We just want to get on with life, not to be used as poster boys/girls, whatever you want to call yourself.

This wanton virtue signalling is resulting in the inevitable hard pendulum swing to the right across the world, in every aspect, and Virgin will find itself on the wrong side of the pendulum, resulting in blow back from customers, and a generous portion of egg on it's face.

HUTT - a proud gay pilot looking forward to a return to normality. Let's just get on with life shall we? There's enough bollocks to deal with.
Off course you are 😂 😂😂

Yet in the other threads, you claim to have applied to RIA in Saudi and looked for Korean Air…so a member of LGBTQ+ community who talks like that and wants to work in countries where homosexuality is forbidden or frowned upon? 😂In my country we have a proverb that translates; “you can catch a liar faster than a cripple”.

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Old 16th Mar 2024, 07:51
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Originally Posted by HeadUpTheTailpipe
As a member of the LGBTQ+LMNOP community myself, the way things are going at Virgin irks the hell out of me.
Of course you are dear… no member of the LGBT community would say that, but at least you were honest in the second half of your sentence.

Look if you don’t like it then so be it but Virgin are advertising they are inclusive and making a big thing about it…. And you know what that’s fine, as a captain at VAA that didn’t bother me one bit. But if you’re going to advertise it you need to follow through and this is where Virgin drop the ball again.

As is all so common here it’s style over substance and they don’t back it up.
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Old 16th Mar 2024, 08:54
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Are people still resigning to leave VA or has the out flow now finished?

did the union pay rises come through?
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Old 16th Mar 2024, 08:58
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Originally Posted by bonzy
Are people still resigning to leave VA or has the out flow now finished?

did the union pay rises come through?
I don’t know about the first, still the same talk of leaving by many how many actually are leaving and have places like I have is another matter.

Pay review… still ongoing but company just announced a rise for ground staff and extra long service day off.
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Old 16th Mar 2024, 09:49
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Originally Posted by Ohfeck
Hit the nail on the head with that.

I’ve heard the same from crew.

Some FO’s and crews are speaking of being bullied by “new” captains drunk on power and who wouldn’t have passed command a few years ago. That’s becoming a regular conversation now from crews and FO’s. Some are scared to fly with a few and it’s the same names that crop up.
Some so tired they fall asleep in jump seats on landing. And then the rank misogyny in the form of sleazy individuals trying it on.

Maybe fleet specific, but that isn’t a generalisation that I recognise (or have even heard of). Lots of new skippers around, but on the whole they are a breath of fresh air and trying hard to do a good job after years of waiting for the seat. Yes I’m sure there will be a few bad eggs around but that will be the same in every airline and seniority level.

As far as the DEI stuff is concerned, we all have our opinion on it but unless it’s something you feel strongly about for whatever reason, it isn’t something that affects you on a daily basis.

Lots of things wrong with the company and management, but it’s still possible to turn up, do a professional job and have a nice time downroute with the crew.

Good luck in the new venture

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Old 16th Mar 2024, 17:28
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Originally Posted by zero/zero

Lots of things wrong with the company and management, but it’s still possible to turn up, do a professional job and have a nice time downroute with the crew.
This beautiful quote sums up every single airline pilot job out there. Happiness is a state of mind.
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Old 16th Mar 2024, 22:20
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Originally Posted by zero/zero
I’m sure there will be a few bad eggs around but that will be the same in every airline and seniority level.

Good luck in the new venture
For sure, it’s most definitely not everyone and we know that, but there definitely been an upward trend I’ve noticed in the comments from my FO’s about some individuals. I always say if they think it’s a safety issue or a concern they have an obligation to report it if only be the confidential system, I can’t as I’m only hearing secondhand reports. Hopefully if it is a big problem it will be corrected and those concerned will be helped.

Thanks for the well wishes, I’m looking forward to the new opportunity and to slow down a little as I approach retirement. Last few years in a slightly different role from just line flying is I hope a nice way to bring my career to a close.
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Old 17th Mar 2024, 19:36
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Originally Posted by Ohfeck
I don’t know about the first, still the same talk of leaving by many how many actually are leaving and have places like I have is another matter.

Pay review… still ongoing but company just announced a rise for ground staff and extra long service day off.
Perhaps the rostering has changed and those commuting into London. Find the new rosters in Virgin 2.0, not easily commutable perhaps. Which could be a reason to take a look around for other jobs.
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Old 20th Mar 2024, 13:02
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Any tips for the psychometric testing? Yet to receive the email, but I’m looking for practice tests. Thanks.
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Old 3rd Apr 2024, 15:25
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Virgin still losing money, albeit less. Everyone else reported robust trading/profits. Last reported a profit in 2016.
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Old 3rd Apr 2024, 16:03
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Maybe Rylan can sort it out
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Old 6th Apr 2024, 16:54
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Any ideas as to what the pay rise numbers are in the offer negotiated by VACC thats going to vote?
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Old 25th Apr 2024, 23:08
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30% by Jan 26 and 20% this year, new scheduling protections, all sorts of policies redundancy etc but VS pilots have all said they will vote this down. Apparently it takes a new joiner start salary to £100k and top trainer TRE £270k.
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Old 26th Apr 2024, 07:59
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Originally Posted by oxymoron666
30% by Jan 26 and 20% this year, new scheduling protections, all sorts of policies redundancy etc but VS pilots have all said they will vote this down. Apparently it takes a new joiner start salary to £100k and top trainer TRE £270k.

It must be cheaper to retain your crew with substantial salaries, than paying out huge sums of Overtime, and buying back Leave. As is regularly happening now.
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Old 26th Apr 2024, 08:19
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30% by Jan 26 and 20% this year, new scheduling protections, all sorts of policies redundancy etc but VS pilots have all said they will vote this down. Apparently it takes a new joiner start salary to £100k and top trainer TRE £270k.
That would be an extraordinary decision.
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Old 26th Apr 2024, 08:32
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That would be an extraordinary decision.
It isn't if you know the details of the offer. And it isn't about the money
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