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Im convinced it’s managements dream to make rostering so bad that everyone takes “part time”. So the company force nearly 100% flying hours into 80% working time.
So basically 20% pay cut for the same work. And, if a recession happens and flying reduces, then happy days because everyone’s on 80% pay. And if flying picks up, then happy days because pilots have part time weeks to pick up extra trips for a fraction of what it costs to employ an additional pilot. It’s genius really. No wonder the CEO got his £3.2m bonus despite there being “no money”.
At least working under O’Leary you knew where you stood.
So basically 20% pay cut for the same work. And, if a recession happens and flying reduces, then happy days because everyone’s on 80% pay. And if flying picks up, then happy days because pilots have part time weeks to pick up extra trips for a fraction of what it costs to employ an additional pilot. It’s genius really. No wonder the CEO got his £3.2m bonus despite there being “no money”.
At least working under O’Leary you knew where you stood.
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Has VS changed so much? I’m ready for the command at the blue/yellow LCC but the management here is so toxic that I’m willing to leave the upgrade to move elsewhere.
Only thing slightly holding me back would be the money once captain and the roster pattern. Ok maybe the chance of a regional base but that ain’t too much of a priority (no kids etc).
From reading this thread sounds like I’m better off staying where I am which says a lot about VS….
Only thing slightly holding me back would be the money once captain and the roster pattern. Ok maybe the chance of a regional base but that ain’t too much of a priority (no kids etc).
From reading this thread sounds like I’m better off staying where I am which says a lot about VS….
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Has VS changed so much? I’m ready for the command at the blue/yellow LCC but the management here is so toxic that I’m willing to leave the upgrade to move elsewhere.
Only thing slightly holding me back would be the money once captain and the roster pattern. Ok maybe the chance of a regional base but that ain’t too much of a priority (no kids etc).
From reading this thread sounds like I’m better off staying where I am which says a lot about VS….
Only thing slightly holding me back would be the money once captain and the roster pattern. Ok maybe the chance of a regional base but that ain’t too much of a priority (no kids etc).
From reading this thread sounds like I’m better off staying where I am which says a lot about VS….
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Agreed , also if I was in your shoes I wouldn’t go to BA LH either …. Trust me the grass is certainly not greener!
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Virgin I wouldn’t touch. Certainly not this SO gig even as FO, you never know how long before they need to lay guys/gals off.
BA LH has a lot more benefits compared to RYR even if you are LHS.
As I said in other places here the only benefit of RYR is 5 on 4 off and possibly quick command year 1 and 2 of command is reduced salary.
The salary quoted at RYR includes pension and allowance to pay for your own medical, LOL, etc. No pay increase at RYR every year like at BA. 10 years time you want part time or other at BA you have that option. RYR no way. Might do it over winter but unlikely. Why are so many leaving RYR? Rumours are a 1000 working notices.
If you live within 1 hr of LHR BA passenger Ops is the best option IMO.
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Yes, loads leaving at the moment, mainly UK as at the moment it is a niche market (immigration and licence restrictions due to Brexit), but the majority are FOs and not CPT.
At the end of the day, it is horses for courses. It really depends what are your current circumstances, of what you want in life now and in the future.
10 years ago I would have joined Virgin in a heartbeat without even considering BA, let alone RYR.
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It depends on your personal circumstances, and these vary enormously from one person to the next. It also depends on what your priorities are : maximising income above all else/quickest route to command or lifestyle / not having to commute (or some sort of compromise)…etc.
I smile when I see these posts singing a particular airline’s praises coupled with a complete inability to understand why anyone could possibly want to work anywhere else.
As an example, there are now a significant number of people entering the profession who have had a previous career, and have been in the fortunate position to now pursue their boyhood dream of flying. They might not give a stuff about command (they might not get it before they retire anyway) or not reaching the top pay point at airline X. For others, these things will be very relevant ….it all depends.
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By the time you reach BA LHS LH, you've lost so much pay by staying put in RYR LHS that the benefits are almost negligible. If I compare to Virgin pay, changing from RYR LHS to Virgin would mean 15 years of wait to get to the same pay as I'm on today. If you compound, it's almost half-mil lost, and the option to retire earlier also lost. Even if BA pay is much better than Virgin, it is still a big dent. By the time you get to the top of LH payscale, you'll be tired and possibly fed-up of the life style. If you are young and no commitments, BA is a no-brainer. If you are past your 30's, it might not be that straightforward.
Not true, there are pay increases across the network. Whether they are meaningful or not in the current economic climate it's another story. The problem with the way RYR approaches this is they can take it or add as management please. During times of demand, they'll increase, during times of weakness, they'll take it away. However the stark reality is that any operator will adjust to this - COVID wasn't that long time ago and I don't know any operator that didn't reduce pay and/or made people redundant.
Not true, there are pay increases across the network. Whether they are meaningful or not in the current economic climate it's another story. The problem with the way RYR approaches this is they can take it or add as management please. During times of demand, they'll increase, during times of weakness, they'll take it away. However the stark reality is that any operator will adjust to this - COVID wasn't that long time ago and I don't know any operator that didn't reduce pay and/or made people redundant.
He is FO year 2 his minimum take home a month is £4600. 1 trip overtime and he netted nearly £2k on top of that. Add in the 15% company pension plus the ability to travel on BA network for very little. Yes he actually gets less days off a month but he isn’t as tired. 5 days on at RYR through summer is hard work landing 1-4am on your first day off technically multiple times wipes you out.
Regarding pay rise RYR you might or might not get a pay rise. BA £3k a pay rise every year with the current pay deal.
I had the same thoughts as you about BA. After sitting down with my mate cards on the table the benefits add up. At BA It’s not as big a difference as you make out. Even coming down to mortgage the bank wouldn’t consider all of my RYR salary. Base plus half the duty pay. Instantly missing out on a leverage opportunity. Makes a massive difference.
Virgin I don’t actually know anyone close enough at Virgin to get the exact figures I have seen a couple of rosters and they do not look nice.
LHS RYR to Virgin doesn’t sound very good. Even RHS to SO position would be a bad move IMO.
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You should receive a briefing pack from Jet masterclass. All Raw data flying, SID, some general handling; steepnturns, climbs, descents, then some kind of issue, either engine flame out or medical emergency, leading to decision/NITS/P.A. and ILS approach. Fairly straight forward. Don’t be rushed into the approach.
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I know someone that told me she withdrew her application to Virgin for a few reasons, the biggest of which was that the pension contribution is now reduced to 10% for those joining from this round of recruitment.
Perhaps she was premature if pension hasn’t been reduced to 10%.
Perhaps she was premature if pension hasn’t been reduced to 10%.
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I know someone that told me she withdrew her application to Virgin for a few reasons, the biggest of which was that the pension contribution is now reduced to 10% for those joining from this round of recruitment.
Perhaps she was premature if pension hasn’t been reduced to 10%.
Perhaps she was premature if pension hasn’t been reduced to 10%.
Though given what’s been said already, may have just been the last straw.
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I saw they are now trying to hire cheap 2nd Officers through the Zenon ....
