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Old 28th Nov 2022, 19:10
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Originally Posted by A320LGW
Difficult to imagine leaving a job where youíre crucial to the crew composition and get to fly daily to go and be a cruise pilot. If it was a cadet role similar to cathay then fair enough, but itís not based on the 500 jet/prop requirement. Iím not convinced.
Not exactly uncommon in our industry. In NZ/Aus itís very common that youíll give up a prop command for a jet gig on the jumpseat.

Is the Airbus a mixed fleet at VS or will successful FOs be routed into 330 or 350 independently?
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Old 28th Nov 2022, 19:21
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Originally Posted by A320LGW
You mean anyone who doesn't turn up to assessment day with a handbag and wearing glittered mascara?
What a stupid and narrow minded comment.
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Old 29th Nov 2022, 09:45
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No type rating ?

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Am I missing something? Where does it say the role is cruise relief pilot only?
I think the clue is in the genteel expression "... above the clouds ..." (Fourth paragraph of the Zenon advert ) https://www.zenon.aero/jobs/5171-vir...econd-officer/

No mention of type ratings or bonds etc. I guess you get a company-specific, non-portable ticket that would be useless elsewhere, and won't get you any P1S time either.

I would be pleased to be told it ain't so.

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Old 29th Nov 2022, 10:16
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Originally Posted by Lordflasheart
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I think the clue is in the genteel expression "... above the clouds ..." (Fourth paragraph of the Zenon advert ) https://www.zenon.aero/jobs/5171-vir...econd-officer/

No mention of type ratings or bonds etc. I guess you get a company-specific, non-portable ticket that would be useless elsewhere, and won't get you any P1S time either.

I would be pleased to be told it ain't so.

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Exactly
Also specifically states supporting the Capt & FO, that would highly suggest being a cruise pilot, to me anyway

"Supporting the Commander and First Officer, youíll provide consistent operational excellence above the clouds"
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Old 29th Nov 2022, 11:59
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Here’s an idea. Just throwing it out there. If you’re genuinely interested show a bit of determination and phone up Zenon and ask? Or just slate UK opportunities from afar before having any facts?
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Old 29th Nov 2022, 17:08
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Anyone got any idea on what they would be paying second officers? the post only says competetive
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Old 30th Nov 2022, 10:45
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I suggest those who are confused have another read of the advert. its very clear it's a two year stint as SO/Cruise pilot, with the opportunity to then become an FO. It's not great for experienced pilots but if you were put in the bin during covid with low hours and have been flying somewhere else recently (lots went off to wizz) this is a way back to the UK which may have to be taken for some. Good luck to you all!
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Old 30th Nov 2022, 10:46
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Top cadet pay scale is circa £44k and bottom FO is circa £63k . Guessing it will be somewhere in between , probably more likely to be nearer the bottom of those two !!!!
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Old 30th Nov 2022, 11:36
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Second officer starting salary is 59k.
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Old 30th Nov 2022, 17:27
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Originally Posted by ToCatLady
Second officer starting salary is 59k.
Can I ask were you came about this info? A Virgin recruiter my mate messaged directly didnít even know this info at this stage.

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Old 30th Nov 2022, 18:40
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This may be out of date already, and found above in this forum, but no SO position showing, possibly around the same as CDT figures?
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Old 13th Dec 2022, 10:51
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... phone up Zenon and ask ? ...
Well we did ask but were ignored which I understand is industry standard until you have been personally registered as an applicant, and then some.

They all say 'competitive'. ... Well they would, wouldn't they ?

In this case, the word in our pub last Friday is that no decision about pay scales for Virgin Cruise Pilots has yet been made. They are waiting to see how many applicants they attract before deciding how low they can afford to pitch the pay.

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Old 13th Dec 2022, 12:01
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It was posted above £59k.

I can confirm that is what I was told on the phone as well.
SO cruise pilot
£59k year 1
£60k year 2

When you move to FO you move to first pay point.
The only real benefit is seniority when it comes to command.
You would be ahead of an FO/SFO if they joined after you.
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Old 15th Dec 2022, 07:13
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Originally Posted by kendrick47247
What a stupid and narrow minded comment.
No itís not. Itís actually closer to the truth than you realise!
Feel free to wear high heels and make up guys!
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Old 15th Dec 2022, 11:08
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Originally Posted by srjumbo747
No itís not. Itís actually closer to the truth than you realise!
Feel free to wear high heels and make up guys!
I stand by what I said. A forward thinking stance from Virgin, quickly replicated elsewhere.

Welcome to the world where people are (hopefully) not restricted to antiquated gender norms or stereotypes and do not have to kowtow to narrow minded dinosaurs, in or out of the flight deck.
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Old 19th Dec 2022, 10:36
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Originally Posted by kendrick47247
I stand by what I said. A forward thinking stance from Virgin, quickly replicated elsewhere.

Welcome to the world where people are (hopefully) not restricted to antiquated gender norms or stereotypes and do not have to kowtow to narrow minded dinosaurs, in or out of the flight deck.
The problem for Virgin is that whilst it's become socially unacceptable for people to openly disagree with their virtue signalling, the company relies on people buying tickets to stay afloat. As this is a thread about recruitment and pilots making career moves into the airline, it is important to highlight that a significant number of people/dinosaurs either disagree with Virgin's stance or are fed up with being preached to and told what to think, and will actively avoid flying with Virgin as a result. This has serious implications on job security.
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Old 19th Dec 2022, 21:27
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Originally Posted by Vokes55
The problem for Virgin is that whilst it's become socially unacceptable for people to openly disagree with their virtue signalling, the company relies on people buying tickets to stay afloat. As this is a thread about recruitment and pilots making career moves into the airline, it is important to highlight that a significant number of people/dinosaurs either disagree with Virgin's stance or are fed up with being preached to and told what to think, and will actively avoid flying with Virgin as a result. This has serious implications on job security.
If virgin is offering tickets at the right price and start/end points those old dinosaurs wonít care and will still book tickets.

I think youíll find the vast majority of pax wonít give a sh1t so long as they are served professionally by the crew taking care of them and get to their destination relatively on time.

There will be a few people screaming about this, but the silent majority just want to get on with their lives and holidays/flightsÖ
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Old 20th Dec 2022, 09:56
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Hi, has anyone that applied for the Virgin SO position heard anything back yet?

Thanks
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Old 20th Dec 2022, 13:12
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Originally Posted by BentleyTheDog
Hi, has anyone that applied for the Virgin SO position heard anything back yet?

Thanks
Applied on the website as instructed and was emailed the other day to ask for details and copies of licence and such to be sent on but not heard back since. (they asked friday last week)
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Old 20th Dec 2022, 20:03
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Originally Posted by Vokes55
The problem for Virgin is that whilst it's become socially unacceptable for people to openly disagree with their virtue signalling, the company relies on people buying tickets to stay afloat. As this is a thread about recruitment and pilots making career moves into the airline, it is important to highlight that a significant number of people/dinosaurs either disagree with Virgin's stance or are fed up with being preached to and told what to think, and will actively avoid flying with Virgin as a result. This has serious implications on job security.
Nope. Notice how P&O Ferries have miraculously carried on trading despite the cries of a boycott? People donít care in the slightest.

And if youíre that pigheaded to go out of your way to take a less convenient routing to a destination to ensure that there is no way that a male cabin crew member serving you could be wearing a bit of mascara then you can keep your moneyÖ
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