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Old 21st Dec 2022, 07:32
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I guess the old interview question about “what would you do if the Captain turned up in the lobby wearing a dress?” has been removed? Or amplified?
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 10:30
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Originally Posted by zero/zero
As a potentially new joiner, I'd more concerned by the chronically fatiguing rosters than whether the he/him pronoun crew member bringing the tea is wearing heels or not.
Exactly this. Trip patterns are awfully fatiguing, the recent sleep survey results have said “everything is fine” despite repeated safety and fatigue reports. The mantra on the flight deck was “it’ll get better because it has to”, now the chat is “where are you applying to?”.

It cannot be emphasised enough how horrific rostering is at the moment. I thought it would get better with recruitment but even if we achieve the target recruitment numbers, we still can’t fly the summer program.

New joiner courses being cancelled left right and centre because they can’t fill the spots. The secret is out that Virgin is a totally crap place to work now and I think it’s going to get worse.

Middle Eastern rostering and management ethos with poverty pay.

Go in with your eyes wide open.
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 10:40
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The recruitment of Second Officers is a really cheap and thoughtless way to address fatiguing patterns. This current recruitment drive should tell you everything about how Virgin are approaching their rostering and fatigue. They’re going sit a cruise pilot at 36,000ft for 8 hours solid whilst the other crew get time in the bunk. Which means the FDP can be extended and/or the experience in the flight deck reduces as they now require one less CN/FO per flight.

problem solved, “it’s all legal”
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 18:52
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How many trips per month for a new SFO on a LifeStyle+ contract? Is it even available?
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 19:31
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Anyone know what the interview is like and if there will be sim assesment and what type they will use to do it?
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Old 22nd Dec 2022, 18:26
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Originally Posted by Smooth Airperator
How many trips per month for a new SFO on a LifeStyle+ contract? Is it even available?
you wouldn’t get lifestyle or lifestyle + for years. There’s a big waiting list. But probably 3 or 4 trips.
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Old 22nd Dec 2022, 20:24
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Originally Posted by Smooth Airperator
How many trips per month for a new SFO on a LifeStyle+ contract? Is it even available?
An extra 7 days off per month and then the company try and squeeze as much as they can into the remaining 23 days. Have seen a roster where they managed 87 hours in that. Anything better is a bonus
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Old 22nd Dec 2022, 21:12
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An extra 7 days off per month and then the company try and squeeze as much as they can into the remaining 23 days. Have seen a roster where they managed 87 hours in that. Anything better is a bonus
Ah, so 100% work for 80% pay? Sounds… Appealing?
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Old 22nd Dec 2022, 21:29
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Met a couple of VS managers recently, who were very pessimistic about the future; which surprised me, what with the new airplanes, hiring and coming out from the dark days of covid.
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Old 23rd Dec 2022, 08:11
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It truly is a shame to see. I have many friends in Virgin and I can echo the statements above.
Those that can still make a move are actively doing so.
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Old 23rd Dec 2022, 08:57
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Originally Posted by A38lephant
you wouldn’t get lifestyle or lifestyle + for years. There’s a big waiting list. But probably 3 or 4 trips.
just out of interest what's the lifestyle and lifestyle+?
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Old 23rd Dec 2022, 13:22
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Originally Posted by VariablePitchP
Ah, so 100% work for 80% pay? Sounds… Appealing?
Welcome to Virgin 2.0
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Old 23rd Dec 2022, 13:22
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just out of interest what's the lifestyle and lifestyle+?
80% and 65% part time options
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Old 23rd Dec 2022, 19:34
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Originally Posted by VariablePitchP
Ah, so 100% work for 80% pay? Sounds… Appealing?
I thought it was spelled appalling... 😬
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Old 23rd Dec 2022, 22:14
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It truly is a shame to see. I have many friends in Virgin and I can echo the statements above.
Those that can still make a move are actively doing so.
12 VS pilots resigned on just one day earlier this week, although, oddly, it still appeals to some who have secure jobs elsewhere.
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Old 24th Dec 2022, 07:55
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Come to business aviation and you’ll do that in 17 consecutive days…..every month…..all totally legal…..It’s insanity. Funny though that the billionaires in the back think it’s the safest way to travel.
Not at my 6/5 Biz company...
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Old 24th Dec 2022, 19:37
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Originally Posted by zero/zero
80% and 65% part time options
It means you’ll do your 900 hours across either 80% of the calendar days of a 100% contract for 80% pay, or 65% of the calendar days for 65% pay by what has been said so far…
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Old 24th Dec 2022, 21:51
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Originally Posted by VariablePitchP
It means you’ll do your 900 hours across either 80% of the calendar days of a 100% contract for 80% pay, or 65% of the calendar days for 65% pay by what has been said so far…
Not far off. All you need to know about Virgin at the moment is that crewing is (no joke) rebranded as "Crew Establishment and Productivity Department". It's 1984 without the happy ending.

There's a load of fluffy language from management about being "most loved", but underneath it all it's widebody Ryanair without the honesty to admit what it really is. Everyone is knackered and many/most are looking for other options.

If you are in a job that you're vaguely happy with, you'd be foolish to look at Virgin as a step up

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Old 24th Dec 2022, 23:04
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Im convinced it’s managements dream to make rostering so bad that everyone takes “part time”. So the company force nearly 100% flying hours into 80% working time.

So basically 20% pay cut for the same work. And, if a recession happens and flying reduces, then happy days because everyone’s on 80% pay. And if flying picks up, then happy days because pilots have part time weeks to pick up extra trips for a fraction of what it costs to employ an additional pilot. It’s genius really. No wonder the CEO got his £3.2m bonus despite there being “no money”.

At least working under O’Leary you knew where you stood.

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Old 26th Dec 2022, 04:54
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Originally Posted by ToCatLady
They’re going sit a cruise pilot at 36,000ft for 8 hours solid whilst the other crew get time in the bunk
How dare they!! Nobody has ever used this rostering model before how outrageous!!

Just don’t tell CX, SQ, QF, NZ etc…
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