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Old 1st Apr 2023, 09:45
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Originally Posted by RARA9
Jet2 is a meritocracy which isnít popular to many , but I think itís a good thing ! You donít get 15year FOs (like in my previous company) that are useless.
The company rewards guys and girls that are good.
Although definitely still a bit of who you know ÖÖ which is improving
Interesting, but would it not be more likely to have a 15 year FO that is useless in a meritocracy as they may have been passed over for command multiple times?
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Old 1st Apr 2023, 22:07
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Originally Posted by go-around flap 15
Interesting, but would it not be more likely to have a 15 year FO that is useless in a meritocracy as they may have been passed over for command multiple times?
Yes. I don't know what the other guy is on about.... We have plenty of useless FOs, but that seems to be an industry thing, it's impossible to sack people these days unless they literally break/kill something/someone
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Old 2nd Apr 2023, 07:47
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Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns
Yes. I don't know what the other guy is on about.... We have plenty of useless FOs, but that seems to be an industry thing, it's impossible to sack people these days unless they literally break/kill something/someone

yes sorry that didnít really make sense , I think I was trying to get at the fact of seniority scales . So you have a ďsenior FOĒ earning over 120k who is useless but is senior . That used to get at me
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Old 2nd Apr 2023, 08:16
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yes sorry that didnít really make sense , I think I was trying to get at the fact of seniority scales . So you have a ďsenior FOĒ earning over 120k who is useless but is senior . That used to get at me
Makes perfect sense, can imagine it being frustrating. Have also heard from a few mates in 'Big Airways' that being 'useless' isn't solely the preserve of RHS crew. Not to turn this into a seniority debate but when friends outside of the business ask why I can't join BA/Virgin/TUI etc as a Captain, despite having been one for years, they are a little confused. They're even more surprised when I go on to explain i'd join at the bottom of the payscales as a year 1 FO (save perhaps for VS as SFO).
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Old 10th Apr 2023, 14:18
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Could any current Jet2 pilots briefly outline the options available for part-time or unpaid leave etc. during the Ďquietí Winter season. TIA
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Old 15th Apr 2023, 12:40
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What are the current wait times from application to first contact?
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Old 24th Apr 2023, 16:37
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Originally Posted by 737 Jockey
Could any current Jet2 pilots briefly outline the options available for part-time or unpaid leave etc. during the Ďquietí Winter season. TIA
Winter just gone was up to 3 months (usually 2-5 months) off on half pay, full pension, leave adjusted accordingly , not guaranteed and was restricted at some bases this year. There are other options but they never seem as appealing.
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Old 25th Apr 2023, 06:56
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Could any current Jet2 pilots briefly outline the options available for part-time or unpaid leave etc. during the Ďquietí Winter season. TIA
But if you do want Winter options, or even permanent part-time working, temporary overseas base secondments (free holiday in the sun), Football / Rugby Charter night stops, contactable duties, and standby duties, then definitely don't become a Trainer with them.
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Old 25th Apr 2023, 08:26
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Originally Posted by go-around flap 15
Makes perfect sense, can imagine it being frustrating. Have also heard from a few mates in 'Big Airways' that being 'useless' isn't solely the preserve of RHS crew. Not to turn this into a seniority debate but when friends outside of the business ask why I can't join BA/Virgin/TUI etc as a Captain, despite having been one for years, they are a little confused. They're even more surprised when I go on to explain i'd join at the bottom of the payscales as a year 1 FO (save perhaps for VS as SFO).
thatís a shame I agree. Itís frankly hard to imagine how BA/TUI/Virgin have managed to survive with out you. Suggest writing to the DFO @big airways quoting your mates and tell him youíre available for immediate hire onto Pp24 LHS A350 as youíve ďbeen a Captain for yearsĒ.
Let us all know how you get on.
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Old 25th Apr 2023, 10:31
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Originally Posted by 3Greens
thatís a shame I agree. Itís frankly hard to imagine how BA/TUI/Virgin have managed to survive with out you. Suggest writing to the DFO @big airways quoting your mates and tell him youíre available for immediate hire onto Pp24 LHS A350 as youíve ďbeen a Captain for yearsĒ.
Let us all know how you get on.
Itís this kind of attitude to job/lifestyle protectionism that makes aviation rather unique in the world of commerce/business. For example, Youíre ok, because youíre on PP24, so f*%k everyone else below you.
Iím not aware of any other industry where someone with commensurate experience would be required to start back at the bottom of the ladder. To an outsider it does seem rather strange. One might argue it also caps pay and conditions, as airlines know they have a relatively captive workforce. If DEC/DE(S)FO were commonplace, airlines would have to offer the right package to recruit/retain workforce. Doubt this will change in my lifetime though.
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Old 25th Apr 2023, 11:13
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Originally Posted by Flying Wild
Itís this kind of attitude to job/lifestyle protectionism that makes aviation rather unique in the world of commerce/business. For example, Youíre ok, because youíre on PP24, so f*%k everyone else below you.
Iím not aware of any other industry where someone with commensurate experience would be required to start back at the bottom of the ladder. To an outsider it does seem rather strange. One might argue it also caps pay and conditions, as airlines know they have a relatively captive workforce. If DEC/DE(S)FO were commonplace, airlines would have to offer the right package to recruit/retain workforce. Doubt this will change in my lifetime though.
thatís one of the reasons I left BA ! Guys like him stuck in a pipe dream and seniority bubble which HR absolutely love
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Well I’m certainly not going to sit here and defend seniority, but there are pros and cons to everything. Having worked at two airlines without seniority - the downside was a system in which a significant element of the promotion process was being on good terms with the chief pilot, and being a yes man and not creating “issues” or being “awkward” (no guidance on what that might mean in practise!) This lead to less than ideal candidates being promoted.

In contrast, the current airline I work for has a very transparent command process which, yes, does of course partly depend on seniority, but has little to do with you being best mates with the chief pilot or head of training…

I think there’s pros and cons to both, and one makes one’s choices accordingly.
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Old 25th Apr 2023, 13:33
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Originally Posted by Flying Wild
Itís this kind of attitude to job/lifestyle protectionism that makes aviation rather unique in the world of commerce/business. For example, Youíre ok, because youíre on PP24, so f*%k everyone else below you.
Iím not aware of any other industry where someone with commensurate experience would be required to start back at the bottom of the ladder. To an outsider it does seem rather strange. One might argue it also caps pay and conditions, as airlines know they have a relatively captive workforce. If DEC/DE(S)FO were commonplace, airlines would have to offer the right package to recruit/retain workforce. Doubt this will change in my lifetime though.
so why donít pilots switch between companies that donít have seniority? No seniority at Easy, Ryan or jet2 .
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Old 25th Apr 2023, 15:19
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hold pool thread now seniority debate like most threads ha
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Old 25th Apr 2023, 20:09
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Originally Posted by 3Greens
so why donít pilots switch between companies that donít have seniority? No seniority at Easy, Ryan or jet2 .
Easy - Ryanair - different types
Ryanair - Jet2 (or vice versa) - people do.
Easy - Jet2 - likely now there is an airbus fleet.
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Old 25th Apr 2023, 22:08
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Originally Posted by Flying Wild
Easy - Ryanair - different types
Ryanair - Jet2 (or vice versa) - people do.
Easy - Jet2 - likely now there is an airbus fleet.
in that case itíll be very Intersting to see
if the theory about increasing salaries is correct thenÖ.
not sure the differnant types is a valid arguement though as each new hire is required to complete a course at the new company anyway. Granted previous experience on type ďmayĒ be of some benefit, but itís not a barrier to movement of labour like seniority.
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Old 26th Apr 2023, 19:08
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Originally Posted by 3Greens
so why donít pilots switch between companies that donít have seniority? No seniority at Easy, Ryan or jet2 .
Half of Ryanair are joining J2
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Originally Posted by SpamCanDriver
Half of Ryanair are joining J2
As DEC?
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Old 26th Apr 2023, 21:28
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Originally Posted by 3Greens
in that case itíll be very Intersting to see
if the theory about increasing salaries is correct thenÖ.
not sure the differnant types is a valid arguement though as each new hire is required to complete a course at the new company anyway. Granted previous experience on type ďmayĒ be of some benefit, but itís not a barrier to movement of labour like seniority.
An OCC is very different to having to do a new type rating, plus associated training burden with training sectors.
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