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Jet2 is a meritocracy which isn’t popular to many , but I think it’s a good thing ! You don’t get 15year FOs (like in my previous company) that are useless.
The company rewards guys and girls that are good.
Although definitely still a bit of who you know …… which is improving
The company rewards guys and girls that are good.
Although definitely still a bit of who you know …… which is improving
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Yes. I don't know what the other guy is on about.... We have plenty of useless FOs, but that seems to be an industry thing, it's impossible to sack people these days unless they literally break/kill something/someone
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yes sorry that didn’t really make sense , I think I was trying to get at the fact of seniority scales . So you have a “senior FO” earning over 120k who is useless but is senior . That used to get at me
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Makes perfect sense, can imagine it being frustrating. Have also heard from a few mates in 'Big Airways' that being 'useless' isn't solely the preserve of RHS crew. Not to turn this into a seniority debate but when friends outside of the business ask why I can't join BA/Virgin/TUI etc as a Captain, despite having been one for years, they are a little confused. They're even more surprised when I go on to explain i'd join at the bottom of the payscales as a year 1 FO (save perhaps for VS as SFO).
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Winter just gone was up to 3 months (usually 2-5 months) off on half pay, full pension, leave adjusted accordingly , not guaranteed and was restricted at some bases this year. There are other options but they never seem as appealing.
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But if you do want Winter options, or even permanent part-time working, temporary overseas base secondments (free holiday in the sun), Football / Rugby Charter night stops, contactable duties, and standby duties, then definitely don't become a Trainer with them.
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Makes perfect sense, can imagine it being frustrating. Have also heard from a few mates in 'Big Airways' that being 'useless' isn't solely the preserve of RHS crew. Not to turn this into a seniority debate but when friends outside of the business ask why I can't join BA/Virgin/TUI etc as a Captain, despite having been one for years, they are a little confused. They're even more surprised when I go on to explain i'd join at the bottom of the payscales as a year 1 FO (save perhaps for VS as SFO).
Let us all know how you get on.
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that’s a shame I agree. It’s frankly hard to imagine how BA/TUI/Virgin have managed to survive with out you. Suggest writing to the DFO @big airways quoting your mates and tell him you’re available for immediate hire onto Pp24 LHS A350 as you’ve “been a Captain for years”.
Let us all know how you get on.
Let us all know how you get on.
I’m not aware of any other industry where someone with commensurate experience would be required to start back at the bottom of the ladder. To an outsider it does seem rather strange. One might argue it also caps pay and conditions, as airlines know they have a relatively captive workforce. If DEC/DE(S)FO were commonplace, airlines would have to offer the right package to recruit/retain workforce. Doubt this will change in my lifetime though.
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It’s this kind of attitude to job/lifestyle protectionism that makes aviation rather unique in the world of commerce/business. For example, You’re ok, because you’re on PP24, so f*%k everyone else below you.
I’m not aware of any other industry where someone with commensurate experience would be required to start back at the bottom of the ladder. To an outsider it does seem rather strange. One might argue it also caps pay and conditions, as airlines know they have a relatively captive workforce. If DEC/DE(S)FO were commonplace, airlines would have to offer the right package to recruit/retain workforce. Doubt this will change in my lifetime though.
I’m not aware of any other industry where someone with commensurate experience would be required to start back at the bottom of the ladder. To an outsider it does seem rather strange. One might argue it also caps pay and conditions, as airlines know they have a relatively captive workforce. If DEC/DE(S)FO were commonplace, airlines would have to offer the right package to recruit/retain workforce. Doubt this will change in my lifetime though.
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Well I’m certainly not going to sit here and defend seniority, but there are pros and cons to everything. Having worked at two airlines without seniority - the downside was a system in which a significant element of the promotion process was being on good terms with the chief pilot, and being a yes man and not creating “issues” or being “awkward” (no guidance on what that might mean in practise!) This lead to less than ideal candidates being promoted.
In contrast, the current airline I work for has a very transparent command process which, yes, does of course partly depend on seniority, but has little to do with you being best mates with the chief pilot or head of training…
I think there’s pros and cons to both, and one makes one’s choices accordingly.
In contrast, the current airline I work for has a very transparent command process which, yes, does of course partly depend on seniority, but has little to do with you being best mates with the chief pilot or head of training…
I think there’s pros and cons to both, and one makes one’s choices accordingly.
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It’s this kind of attitude to job/lifestyle protectionism that makes aviation rather unique in the world of commerce/business. For example, You’re ok, because you’re on PP24, so f*%k everyone else below you.
I’m not aware of any other industry where someone with commensurate experience would be required to start back at the bottom of the ladder. To an outsider it does seem rather strange. One might argue it also caps pay and conditions, as airlines know they have a relatively captive workforce. If DEC/DE(S)FO were commonplace, airlines would have to offer the right package to recruit/retain workforce. Doubt this will change in my lifetime though.
I’m not aware of any other industry where someone with commensurate experience would be required to start back at the bottom of the ladder. To an outsider it does seem rather strange. One might argue it also caps pay and conditions, as airlines know they have a relatively captive workforce. If DEC/DE(S)FO were commonplace, airlines would have to offer the right package to recruit/retain workforce. Doubt this will change in my lifetime though.
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if the theory about increasing salaries is correct then….
not sure the differnant types is a valid arguement though as each new hire is required to complete a course at the new company anyway. Granted previous experience on type “may” be of some benefit, but it’s not a barrier to movement of labour like seniority.
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in that case it’ll be very Intersting to see
if the theory about increasing salaries is correct then….
not sure the differnant types is a valid arguement though as each new hire is required to complete a course at the new company anyway. Granted previous experience on type “may” be of some benefit, but it’s not a barrier to movement of labour like seniority.
if the theory about increasing salaries is correct then….
not sure the differnant types is a valid arguement though as each new hire is required to complete a course at the new company anyway. Granted previous experience on type “may” be of some benefit, but it’s not a barrier to movement of labour like seniority.
