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Old 25th Apr 2023, 20:09
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Originally Posted by 3Greens
so why don’t pilots switch between companies that don’t have seniority? No seniority at Easy, Ryan or jet2 .
Easy - Ryanair - different types
Ryanair - Jet2 (or vice versa) - people do.
Easy - Jet2 - likely now there is an airbus fleet.
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Old 25th Apr 2023, 22:08
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Originally Posted by Flying Wild
Easy - Ryanair - different types
Ryanair - Jet2 (or vice versa) - people do.
Easy - Jet2 - likely now there is an airbus fleet.
in that case it’ll be very Intersting to see
if the theory about increasing salaries is correct then….
not sure the differnant types is a valid arguement though as each new hire is required to complete a course at the new company anyway. Granted previous experience on type “may” be of some benefit, but it’s not a barrier to movement of labour like seniority.
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Old 26th Apr 2023, 19:08
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Originally Posted by 3Greens
so why don’t pilots switch between companies that don’t have seniority? No seniority at Easy, Ryan or jet2 .
Half of Ryanair are joining J2
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Originally Posted by SpamCanDriver
Half of Ryanair are joining J2
As DEC?
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Old 26th Apr 2023, 21:28
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Originally Posted by 3Greens
in that case it’ll be very Intersting to see
if the theory about increasing salaries is correct then….
not sure the differnant types is a valid arguement though as each new hire is required to complete a course at the new company anyway. Granted previous experience on type “may” be of some benefit, but it’s not a barrier to movement of labour like seniority.
An OCC is very different to having to do a new type rating, plus associated training burden with training sectors.
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Old 26th Apr 2023, 22:22
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Originally Posted by Flying Wild
An OCC is very different to having to do a new type rating, plus associated training burden with training sectors.
But it’s not really is it? Couple less sims and a few fewer line training flights. Anyway, we’re considering captains that are supposed to be able to move freely from Co to co without starting at the bottom. Surely Captain X is capable of passing a new type DEC course at min cost (read min sectors) as he’s “been a captain for years”.
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Old 27th Apr 2023, 05:37
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Originally Posted by 3Greens
As DEC?
It was obviously tongue in cheek, but a'lot from Ryanair are joining J2 in both seats. More are joining in the right seat as J2 have more vacancies there
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Old 27th Apr 2023, 15:22
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Originally Posted by 3Greens
But it’s not really is it? Couple less sims and a few fewer line training flights. Anyway, we’re considering captains that are supposed to be able to move freely from Co to co without starting at the bottom. Surely Captain X is capable of passing a new type DEC course at min cost (read min sectors) as he’s “been a captain for years”.
3Greens, I’m assuming you’re referring to my original post in which I used the phrase ‘captain for years’ when describing friends outside the industry being surprised how it isn’t necessarily possible for one to move to certain airlines anywhere other than the bottom - ‘but you’ve been a captain for years’ being their response. If you look around at what the norm is outside of aviation, you would surely see that those words are not unexpected of someone who is perhaps a Dr/Lawyer/Engineer etc?

I made no particular comment about my self worth or feeling of entitlement to join big airlines on PP24.

If that’s how you choose to interpret my post then fair enough, it certainly wasn’t how it was intended though.

I disagree that there is little between a type rating and a full OCC. I have done both. The type rating took over twice as long, and with 3x the sim sessions and 3x the line training sectors. That is huge. If you’re recruiting 200+ pilots in a single season that is a huge training burden!
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Old 27th Apr 2023, 16:41
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Originally Posted by SpamCanDriver
Half of Ryanair are joining J2
I doubt that
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Old 27th Apr 2023, 17:42
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Originally Posted by 3Greens
that’s a shame I agree. It’s frankly hard to imagine how BA/TUI/Virgin have managed to survive with out you. Suggest writing to the DFO @big airways quoting your mates and tell him you’re available for immediate hire onto Pp24 LHS A350 as you’ve “been a Captain for years”.
Let us all know how you get on.
I think the point you're missing is that there are many highly competent potential A350 LHS who have not only been a captain for years, but would also work for a lot less than PP24. The DFO and certainly IAG's shareholders would be most interested in that.
See, eg, RAF A330 pilots who have been doing a more demanding job for a third of the money.

It's BALPA/organised labour rather than any special flying talent endowed by staying at BA for 30 years that stops you being replaced by the itinerants above.
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Month 7 since assessment, arms getting tired 😂 🏊‍♂️ NTR FO anyone else still out there same situation? No contact for last few months, not sure wether to email or would this make my chances even less
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Originally Posted by Atrus600
Month 7 since assessment, arms getting tired 😂 🏊‍♂️ NTR FO anyone else still out there same situation? No contact for last few months, not sure wether to email or would this make my chances even less
I must admit this is a poor show by Jet2 I would expect better
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Month 7 since assessment, arms getting tired 😂 🏊‍♂️ NTR FO anyone else still out there same situation? No contact for last few months, not sure wether to email or would this make my chances even less
Would you need base training? If you’re not eligible for ZFT then it’s difficult in the summer for any leisure airline to give up an airframe for circuits. So I would imagine that ZFT-able candidates are getting priority in the busy season.
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Another candidate I spoke to was told despite meeting CAA requirements for ZFTT they have, if I remember this correctly, their own internal higher hour requirements exceeding this and as you say couldn’t spare any aircraft at this time of year for base training. I have 2500 hours but haven’t been told either way of require base training or not, I would imagine I would not. Be good to even have an indication of say end of year if plan but believe they launching new recruitment campaign soon. Just keep swimming with hope……
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Another candidate I spoke to was told despite meeting CAA requirements for ZFTT they have, if I remember this correctly, their own internal higher hour requirements exceeding this and as you say couldn’t spare any aircraft at this time of year for base training. I have 2500 hours but haven’t been told either way of require base training or not, I would imagine I would not. Be good to even have an indication of say end of year if plan but believe they launching new recruitment campaign soon. Just keep swimming with hope……
Brother in law put application in this week. 3500 hours on 737 - current medical etc. Be interesting if he gets a call.
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Old 5th May 2023, 15:49
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Another candidate I spoke to was told despite meeting CAA requirements for ZFTT they have, if I remember this correctly, their own internal higher hour requirements exceeding this
Not true at all, CAA requirements only. Sometimes candidates are allocated base training over ZFT as this then allows them to start line training with a regular LTC rather than a ZFT instructor due to their availability. Not all LTCs are ZFT qualified.
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Old 6th May 2023, 05:19
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Interesting thanks for the information will post any updates in the future if any developments
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Old 7th May 2023, 21:37
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Originally Posted by annakm
Brother in law put application in this week. 3500 hours on 737 - current medical etc. Be interesting if he gets a call.
Unless he’s got a history, then I’d say he can expect a call. Experienced AND rated.
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Old 8th May 2023, 11:49
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Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat
Unless he’s got a history, then I’d say he can expect a call. Experienced AND rated.
Hopefully good news then. I think he’s just assumed he’d be in the hold pool.
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Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat
Unless he’s got a history, then I’d say he can expect a call. Experienced AND rated.
Ive slipped in an application too. Also current with relevant hours/experience etc.
Anyone have any idea how long it took to get any follow up call?
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