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Old 28th Dec 2017, 14:58
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Shocking really.... I left a long time ago and its basically exactly the same. I fear that the union recognition is a smoke and mirror trick to get MOL over the holiday season. I hope it's not, but I think it is..... leopards don't change their spots.
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Old 28th Dec 2017, 15:25
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Yup each to their own. Our base have the new deal and my combined -salary and sector pay- take home pay last month (after tax) was £9400 and I do pay into the pension.

Yes I am on permanent contract and in the training dept.

And yes I still think I am worth more as a professional pilot.

I think Ryanair have a long way to go to improve in some areas but noone can deny they are not throwing money at the problem.
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Old 28th Dec 2017, 15:54
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Money never really was the issue though, stop treating people like idiots would go a long way for starters.

Permanent local contracts, fair transparent basing policy and a decent leave system are just a few things that could improve the situation.
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Old 28th Dec 2017, 17:46
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Our base have the new deal and my combined -salary and sector pay- take home pay last month (after tax) was £9400 and I do pay into the pension.
So you're trying to tell us that your gross salary is £198,000, or thereabouts?

I very much doubt it.
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Old 28th Dec 2017, 18:32
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He isn't lying about his take home pay. I know a few TRE's in RYR who are on the new deal and are taking home £9k+ (this will include working a day off or so).

Over the year the monthly take home pay will be less than that, probably somewhere in the region of £7-8k per month for a TRE.

Pay in RYR isn't bad, as the post above states, people don't have an issue with the pay, it's all the other stuff.
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Old 28th Dec 2017, 20:22
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As a line captain on FR contract (with the new increased package) and 70 hrs a month on average the take home pay is about €7000 per month. If one pays pension say €600 per month then is €6400 but in the pension fund €1200 are deposited, since the company matches it. After 3 consecutive years in the pension scheme then you take the full amount away, or if you leave before, just your money. Now deduct all other things ( loss of licence insurance, medical, parking, food and drinks on board etc), for me is about €500 per month.
So now the math is easy. Roughly €6000 in the pocket, and €1200 saved in the pension every month. Is that ok? Well for a home base, on an admittedly good roster, or whatever delivers a desired lifestyle then the glass is probably half full. Otherwise the good news is that there are plenty of options. At home and away.
This is not a Ryanair apologetic post. On the contrary. It's the facts. And of course things can get much better, on a lot of things.
National contracts, medical, loss of licence, just to name a few. Hopefully soon.
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Old 28th Dec 2017, 21:41
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Originally Posted by Vokes55 View Post
So you're trying to tell us that your gross salary is £198,000, or thereabouts?

I very much doubt it.
I've been reliably informed that a line CPT is on £125k, LTC £135k, TRE and Base Captains £155k give or take a few grand either way. That's UK PAYE gross figure.
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Old 28th Dec 2017, 21:49
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Isn't this the new deal that the majority of Ryanair pilots that 'united' were urging everybody not to accept?

Sounds a bit more realistic, but £155k certainly doesn't equate to £9400 net per month.
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Old 29th Dec 2017, 11:28
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Aye, that's the new deal - a chunk of those figures are probably related to 'Productivity bonus' and not engaging with unions.
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Old 29th Dec 2017, 12:08
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So we have Ryanair pilots willy-waving about their take home pay with the new deal, a condition of which is no union negotiation, on the same page as others claiming that the unions are going to get them a 'package that's hard to compete with'. Sounds like a united work force all singing from the same hymn sheet...

Still trying to work out how £155k takes home £9400 too
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Old 29th Dec 2017, 13:20
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Well said Vokes55. The Willy waving Ryanair Pilots. Grow up. It’s pathetic.
Unless of course you are management people, who's real aim is to keep the status quo...
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Old 29th Dec 2017, 15:39
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Some people in Ryanair have a seriously long month, work days off and get numerous day off payments etc etc, get paid their absolute maximum for a month and then come on PPRuNe and imply this is there ‘average’ monthly net.
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Old 29th Dec 2017, 20:28
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ok so can we all come to a conclusion... a normal line captain @ RF will make a minimum of 5500 Euros to a maximum of 6500 Euros.. off course with the new terms ...
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Old 29th Dec 2017, 21:15
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Any contract where you don’t get your food and water, medical, uniform, loss of license etc. paid by the company is absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention the pension. Sometimes it feels that some people are so “Ryanized” that they can’t tell the difference anymore.

FR puts every single money worth detail in the job advert and then sums it up as a “salary”. What an utter bulls*it. It’s a disgrace to call any of the options as “industry leading conditions”, only industry leading there is the number of people who are leaving the company.

Best decision you can do in there is to leave.
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Old 29th Dec 2017, 21:17
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Originally Posted by feeso View Post
ok so can we all come to a conclusion... a normal line captain @ RF will make a minimum of 5500 Euros to a maximum of 6500 Euros.. off course with the new terms ...
I know enough people in FR and have read these forums long enough to tell you that, that is the current rate for a line captain. It may well increase in the coming months with the new deals/unionisation.
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Old 31st Dec 2017, 13:17
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Thank you MaverickPrime.
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 08:25
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Easyjet, European contract, is 9000 euros net plus all the trimmings
Norwegian is 7500 euros net per month plus all the trimmings

RYR 6500 and you pay for everything. A looooooong way from industry leading, even among the LOCO´s . Some here suffer from Stockholm syndrome....
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 09:35
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I, as well, definetly agree with that. No more than 6500€, average 5500€ (as CPT with the "improved package" what they call it...) and thats when you fly around 80-85h. With a Ryanair contract you get ONLY paid around 51 Euros per block hour and of course thats gonna be taxed as well.

They are still below industry standards with salary, pension, allowances!

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Old 1st Jan 2018, 11:09
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Originally Posted by Elephant and Castle View Post
Some here suffer from Stockholm syndrome....
ROFL, apposite comparison
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 00:16
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Originally Posted by VJW View Post
Some people in Ryanair have a seriously long month, work days off and get numerous day off payments etc etc, get paid their absolute maximum for a month and then come on PPRuNe and imply this is there ‘average’ monthly net.
I don't know about that. What SD and Normal Pilot say about pay at FR seems about right to me.

An ordinary line Captain on the current standard contract at FR takes home an average of £6k plus £1k for their pension. The HMRC tax calculator says that is the equivalent of a normal world gross salary of £130k. It might not match Easyjet etc for take home pay or benefits, but there it is.

Nobody is waving willys.
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