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Old 26th Jul 2017, 19:42   #1 (permalink)
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Joining Ryanair

Dear all,
I have been offered a position to join FR. And would appreciate some information about ground school (operator conversion course) and line training?
FO with over 3000 hours, how many legs to be expected? Any tips for the course?
All the best,
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 19:59   #2 (permalink)
 
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An FO with over 3000 hours joining Ryanair? You must've been desperate.

Expect the minimum amount of sectors to get you onto the line, followed by 100 hours every 28 days for the rest of your career. You'll get four days off per week, but make sure you have a second phone, otherwise you'll be woken up at 5am every day by them begging for you to work your day off (for no extra money).

Oh, and if you don't answer your phone, you'll be taken off the roster and face disciplinary action.

Good luck!
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 20:08   #3 (permalink)
 
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When I read this post , there's an Ad for Emirates under it . Ironically, its Another gash outfit rostering a fatiguing 100 hour per 28 days.

Seems hobsons choice for the young & uninitiated. Or Davey Jones locker.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 20:14   #4 (permalink)
 
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With those hours your probably better of at the red/silver lot. Less work,more money......and crew water!

Plenty of of guys (everyone!)jumping over from the blue/yellow at the moment......
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 21:10   #5 (permalink)
 
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On the plus side, you'll be the most experienced FO in the company. Everyone else is forced into a command they aren't ready for at about 2700 hours. Enjoy having somebody with fewer hours than you preaching the 'Ryanair way' that they've had drilled into them during their three year long career.

I'm sure you'll also enjoy being told you cannot have the air conditioning on whilst it's 36 degrees outside, as your 25 year old captain wants to save 20kg of fuel and move a spot higher on the fuel league table.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 22:33   #6 (permalink)
 
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Good question

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Old 26th Jul 2017, 22:49   #7 (permalink)
 
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you have to laugh, no one is listening or learning
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 22:57   #8 (permalink)
 
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You don't 'alf talk crap, Voke
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 23:20   #9 (permalink)
 
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I applied maybe 2-3 yrs ago .
None rated DEC. EASA 5000++ hrs command , inc Boeing widebody. No reply or acknowledgement. About a year later, got an email :" Are you still interested , or else we will remove your details?"

What Jokers. Think it was
McGinley.

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Old 26th Jul 2017, 23:23   #10 (permalink)
 
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What crap is that midnight_cruiser?
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 23:35   #11 (permalink)
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Great hehe. I am aware am not joining a utopian company... just wanna go and fly and come back home. Any one who's actually in the company?
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 23:55   #12 (permalink)
 
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Do they offer you the base you want with a Ryanair contract ? If yes, why not...

If it's a McGinley contract, stay away !

A lot of people are leaving for Channex or Nor shuttle... So try and then leave
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Old 27th Jul 2017, 05:40   #13 (permalink)
 
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An FO with over 3000 hours joining Ryanair? You must've been desperate.

Expect the minimum amount of sectors to get you onto the line, followed by 100 hours every 28 days for the rest of your career. You'll get four days off per week, but make sure you have a second phone, otherwise you'll be woken up at 5am every day by them begging for you to work your day off (for no extra money).

Oh, and if you don't answer your phone, you'll be taken off the roster and face disciplinary action.

Good luck!
1. 100 hours every 28 days = 1300 hours per year. Wow that's a lot of hours! I thought the average was somewhere between 700-900 but okay!

2. Working days off - don't answer your phone or say no (all hail Do Not Disturb mode)? I know of zero instances of disciplinary actions for such behaviour, in spite of some people giving an ear full to the guy on the phone about their definition of an appropriate time of day to call someone

Please ignore the trolls. It is fair from a Utopian place to work. Realistically the base and contract type you prefer will determine if it's a good fit for your.
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Old 27th Jul 2017, 06:28   #14 (permalink)
 
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It does amuse me that on this forum, anybody who says something that somebody doesn't agree with automatically becomes a 'troll'. Nothing I've said is untrue or didn't/doesn't happen.

If your 'base captain' (usually a borderline autistic company man, who took the job with the dream of a desk in Swords with his name on it) calls you on your day off, probably to discuss why you didn't do an RVSM check on a flight three months ago, you're expected to answer the phone - as the ops manual states that you 'report to your base captain'.

It happened.

Best advice on this thread is those who've suggested joining Jet2 instead. I'm not one of them, but those who did are all fairly satisfied with their choice. Ryanair is an airline run by bullies, who have no respect for our profession. They are the pioneers behind the tumbling T&Cs across the industry. The only way this is ever going to change is if seats in the pointy end cannot be filled.
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Old 27th Jul 2017, 07:20   #15 (permalink)
 
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Most of what is said is true..just ask someone who has been booted out of LTN recently using the "matrix" system.....then wonder why they are sending two blokes over from STN every week because they are now under crewed over there.

Walk into security....Jet2 crew laughing, Joking all looking pristine in the company provided uniform looking forward to a nice 2 sector day as a "team" and free tea/coffee and water when getting on the aircraft... Followed by a bloke in builders boots, yellowing shirt and no tie, flight bag full to the brim with an old Sprite bottle to fill up from the tap in the crew room, his screw top mug and a ZipLoc bag full of tea bags, not talking to his colleagues enroute to the crew room to do another 12 hour 4 sector day with a bunch of people that probably don't speak the same language....and wondering why he is doing this for less money then the jet2 pilot....
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Old 27th Jul 2017, 08:51   #16 (permalink)
 
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Recommend you to read this post

http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearment/593947-ryanair-experienced-pilot.html
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Old 27th Jul 2017, 10:52   #17 (permalink)
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Please ignore the trolls. It is fair from a Utopian place to work. Realistically the base and contract type you prefer will determine if it's a good fit for your.
The only reasonable reply in this thread so far!
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Old 27th Jul 2017, 10:53   #18 (permalink)
 
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When you do get your command, you'll be sent to Marrakech, Timisoara, Brindisi or another one of Ryanair's fabulous bases. But don't worry, it's "only" for two years, before you "might" be offered a base back at home (you mentioned you want to be at home every night, and I assume 'home' is in the UK).

Two years doing four Italian domestic flights per day, five days a week whilst your wife and kids forget what you look like, your stress levels go through the roof and you become fatigued from the long commutes across the Ryanair network. But don't worry about that, just call fatigued - not only will you get out of a day's duty, you'll also get out of two further days when they send you to Dublin to explain why you're the first person in the company to call fatigued this year (also happened).

What Mach81 said is, unfortunately, very accurate. Your colleagues in Ryanair will actively look the opposite way as you pass them in Stansted. Your cabin crew will be experts in Boxer Chips and Product of the Week, but if you ask them what they'd do in the event of a depressurisation, the answer may shock you. But that's not their fault, if they don't meet their unrealistic sales targets, they also get sent to Dublin to explain themselves.

I accompanied two colleagues on three separate disciplinary meetings at HQ, and each time there was around 20-30 employees waiting their turn. There's a reason why around 1000 pilots and over 1500 cabin crew (as of April 17) leave the airline every year.
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Old 27th Jul 2017, 11:28   #19 (permalink)
 
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Believe very little of what you read on this thread. Most of them are trolls at best. To answer your questions
1) If you are rated and attending an OCC course then most of these, ground course and simulator, seem to be completed in EMA.
2) Line training could be at any base where available LTC's are. The training is the best I have seen (and for the trolls out there I have been flying for 35 years and worked for several reputable airlines and have over 25,000 hours) For an OCC F/O you can expect about 40 sectors line training but this will depend on individual experience and ability, could be less or it could be more.
3) Following your line check and assuming a successful outcome you will usually be sent to your designated base
4) Expect to fly between 750 to 900 hours per year
5) To prepare study hard and know your stuff just like with every othere airline.
And after nearly 14 years here I have never personally heard of anyone being disciplined for simply not answering their phone on a day off.
Hope this helps
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Old 27th Jul 2017, 11:42   #20 (permalink)
 
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And after nearly 14 years here I have never personally heard of anyone being disciplined for simply not answering their phone on a day off.
Well I have heard of it. But I'm not going to call you a troll because of it.

As I said, around 1000 leave per year. There has to be a reason for that. I commend you for your management propaganda, but we are not 'trolls', most of us are pilots that have been through the Ryanair sausage factory, and then joined a proper airline.
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