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Old 15th Feb 2018, 18:39
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Join Date: Jan 2018
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Hello guys,

Just need an information, about the terms and conditions at FR, If i follow, here 3 questions :

TR is about 30000 euros ?

Basically to make it simple : how much money saved should we have after the TR until we get the first salary ?

What about the new terms and conditions today after all what had happened, any improvements, TY paid, bond ?....

Thank you very much
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 18:47
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Join Date: Sep 2015
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TR is 29500 EUR

line training is paid now as well as far as I know.

Typerating waiting time is around 2 months. Typerating 2 months... so expect the first salary after around 5 months at the earliest. A lot of expenses as well (living, travel, food)

I have seen some figures for new FO salaries which is a lot better then the previous contracts. Over 80 EUR per block hour after 500 hours as a FO. anyone who can confirm this? And also confirm pay during line training?
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Old 16th Feb 2018, 11:53
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Thank you aerodestination,
so basically we need about 7000 euro for living, before the first income ?
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Old 16th Feb 2018, 14:45
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I would say around 37.000 to 40.000 including typerating depending on your personal living style and depending on the commute.

but then again, this is only based on what I have heard from friends. No personal experience.
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 23:01
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stoneangel

Currently it is not uncommon to see cadets waiting 4 months sometimes more before they start line training and therefore before they start getting paid.
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 08:30
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If you join as a cadet you’ll be into a service company which means that much of your living expenses can be deducted against income, so when you do start earning you’ll be paying little or no tax for some time to come, but be very careful to document everything that you spend and get receipts for everything. How long this will last going forward will likely depend on the country that you’ll be based in. In many countries this type of service company will not pass the test of false self employment, the real irony is that the revenue go after you not the employer, yet it is the employer who gets the real saving through not having to pay NI (national insurance contributions) which unlike the employee NI have no upper limit and are levied at around 13.2% in the UK, put into perspective that means a pilot earning a £100k over any period in a service company is allowing the true employer (if proved) to evade/avoid £13200 in NI contributions.

There is a similar example in the UK courts this week involving a BBC TV presenter who had a service company claiming she was self employed but the courts found in favour of HMRC that in reality she was employed by the BBC and they (HMRC) are chasing her for £400K in taxes, interest and penalties

Seek professional advice before you sign up to a limited company scheme as a service provider and secondly ask if you have any choice in the matter, ie is direct employment an option to self employed, if you are told it must be a self employed service provider then you have your answer, you aren’t really self employed because the ‘true’ employer is dictating the terms of your contract.......

Of course there are an increasing number of airlines playing this game to a greater or less degree, if you join Norwegian you wont be employed by them but by OSM who provide pilot services to the airline, the difference is that you are 100% an employee of OSM and pay tax and and NI the same as you would if you were employed by Norwegian directly, for most that means you can sleep at night not worrying about a dawn raid by the tax authorities
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 08:52
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Originally Posted by INKJET View Post
If you join as a cadet you’ll be into a service company which means that much of your living expenses can be deducted against income, so when you do start earning you’ll be paying little or no tax for some time to come, but be very careful to document everything that you spend and get receipts for everything. How long this will last going forward will likely depend on the country that you’ll be based in.
In other words, in the UK Ryanair has the taxpayer subsidising it's pilot training program. Luckily I don't live there, which means:

Originally Posted by INKJET View Post
In many countries this type of service company will not pass the test of false self employment
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 10:01
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One wonders about a question. Many of the guys who are falling foul of self-employed II35 investigations, and others who will be ruled against by HMRC, it seems were those who set these schemes up themselves, perhaps in a false belief. We are told that in RYR's case the schemes are set up by RYR and the pilot has no choice in the matter. Comply or no job. How would that make the pilot 100% culpable?
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 10:18
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100% guilty cause everything is written black on white on the "provision of service" MCGinley contract for the pilot.
Signed mean understand and comply, end of the story. Unless the pilot is able to prove that he's completely stupid and doesn't get what he's doing. Not very genuine for an airline pilot don't you think ?
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 13:28
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Quite some time ago, pilots on the “new” Brookfield contract (3-pilot ltd companies set up in Ireland) who were British citizens based in the UK were told HMRC required them to pay all tax and NI in the UK. Needless to say the HMRC expense rules are rather more stringent than the Irish.

One ended up paying both employees and employers NI contributions with 5% reduction in your taxable income to account for general expenses the only alleviation, unlike those under the Irish taxman who were paying themselves €800/month and taking the remainder in expenses.
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Old 24th Feb 2018, 23:29
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Their short-sightedness is incredible - if they weren’t so hell bent on stitching up their current employees and gave them the bases they wanted then they wouldn’t even need to recruit DEC’s! 21st Jan 2018 23:05
Ryanair DAC, Dublin Office, Airside Business Park, Swords, Co. Dublin

or

Waterside Hammondsworth England, British Airways Fort Fumble

or

Coward Street Mascot NSW 2020, Qantas Airways Fort Fumble

The mantra by the these HR/IR dark art practicing types is the same:

Spare NO expense to save a penny.....................

Heard quietly as these Blattodea continued their manic pursuit of lower labour unit cost, was the ritual chant, no pilots means no labour cost, imagine the profits!

Perhaps Ryanair will get closer to their 'nirvana' than we ever imagined
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Old 24th Feb 2018, 23:57
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Who in their right mind accepts these T&C's! Jesus, man!

Last edited by Contact Approach; 25th Feb 2018 at 10:10.
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Old 1st May 2018, 23:48
  #333 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Could anyone share some details regarding the programme (OCC, SIM, Safety Pilot Sectors, Line Training Sectors etc.) when joining as a Type-rated DEFO? Many thanks!
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 15:28
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Pretty sure they won't buy you a ticket. They will propably tell you that you already have the privilege of not paying for your assesment as the cadets have to do.
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Old 19th Jun 2018, 19:47
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Starting Salary

Hi guys,
sorry if this is wrong place to post this and please redirect as required.

Could anyone give me a very approximate guess at the current Ryanair starting salary for cadets?

I understand that they have recently announced a bonded TR with only a small contribution from the cadet as well as salary sacrifice scheme for the length of the bond?

Does anyone know what the salary is and what the sacrifice is?! Doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere.

Thanks,
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Old 20th Jun 2018, 00:51
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Join Date: Mar 2016
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This was passed on to me from a classmate of mine and not sure where he got it and how accurate it is. It looks official enough. I have seen the salary figures and other info independently repeated elsewhere on this forum, but of course you can't guarantee they're accurate either, but it looks about right.
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Old 20th Jun 2018, 15:26
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German pilots to vote on strike action at Ryanair

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...nair-1.3537523
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 11:55
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Join Date: Dec 2017
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Hi !

Thinking about joining Ryanair as DEC non type rated. Do they make You pay the type rating ? And if so, how much ?
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 14:26
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Join Date: Jan 2019
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no, it is a €15k paper bond, no payment for the type rating
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 07:43
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Join Date: Dec 2017
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Originally Posted by Ryanairrecruitment View Post
no, it is a €15k paper bond, no payment for the type rating
Hi, thanks for the reply. Do You get money deducted monthly or something like that ?
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