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Old 1st Jun 2018, 16:05
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Really the company should be called more aptly Monarch. It is a majority of that failed companies pilots that have joined and they are doing there level best to destroy this new venture for SAS. They are refusing to co operate with the operator Cae/Parc and have steadfastly refused acceptance of any new contract offered by Cae/Parc. Its a neat little operation but its not blossoming as the group of sad spoilt former Monarch chaps are determined to spoil a good thing!
Are they spoilt or do they just put a price on their heads?

Depends on which side of the revelution you're on, but for the pilot community it's in our interest they play hard ball while the market forces act in their direction.
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 16:32
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I heard that the head of training resigned. The first DFO resigned in January.
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 16:43
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So did the Malaga base open today as I believe was the latest info shared to colleagues at mainline?
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 22:13
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Are there any overnights confirmed from malaga or only turnarounds?
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 23:59
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Hoggtart, do you agree with the following?

£62500 basic for an Airbus Captain

£1000 flight pay per month. If you are rostered less than 15 days work, and report sick, you will lose the entire £1000

You've joined for the 5/4 roster. But in order to maintain the schedule they have the right to alter to a random roster (this was introduced in the new contract they refused to sign, not in the original one they signed)

They require a Drs certificate if more than 2 days sick ( I am told this is illegal under UK law)

Do you still believe they are spoilt? They want more than nothing, for this operation to succeed.
If you agree with the above then please send in your CV.

The pilot group tried to engage with CAE (I've seen the letter they sent, trying to address their concerns), but they were met with denial from CAE.

Im at WOW and wanting to return to UK, but not on those terms.

PS It was the entire workforce (cabin crew and pilots) from various airlines who refused to sign. They are not all Monarch. But yes Monarch pilots are the majority.

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Old 2nd Jun 2018, 08:19
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Hoggtart, on the current contract an Airbus Captain at SAIL is paid around £4300 p/month (based on ATIS figures) and you dare to call that a good thing? Also taking into account that the pension is the legal minimum and therefore will require topping up. Even if that could be done through salary sacrifice then it still puts a big dent in the take home pay.

Hopefully you are a man/woman of your word and won’t sign a new and improved contract if it ever materialises. Seems a bit hypocritical if you would take the new & improved contract whilst at the same time slagging of the people who are fighting for a better contract.

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Old 7th Jun 2018, 22:36
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Hoggtart, looks like you’ve been rumbled. So you’re already at SAIL!! The guys know exactly who you are.

Failed to get a command at Easyjet
Failed to get a command at Etihad
Failed your command interview at SAIL, and now you’ve reported the Head of Training to CAE on a different matter.

So who is the spoilt one?

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Old 8th Jun 2018, 09:14
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Atis

Thanks for clearing that up, did think Hoggtart sounded a bit odd.
I hope all Monarchs get a good choice , and bring good conditions with them.
I can make more painting houses in Norway then that contract..
Anyway
How is SAIL and SAS doing?
The last in the local paper was that SAS was not happy with the CRJ Irish lot , City Jet i belive as they had over 100 cancellations in May alone.
Can I make a guess poor planing and or lack of crew. Does anyone know.?
You see, the point of out sourcing would be to make it cheaper and more efficient overall . Something the SAS Management has forgotten.

A good summer to All
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 10:33
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According to management everything is fine and dandy - personally i believe we are gonna see a Norwegian 2.0 this summer. Resources are going to be streched with no reserves all summer.
Cityjet are lacking crew - had some maintenance issues earlier on this year. SAIL obviously also lacking crew. Sling's are already optimized for SAIL out of AGP and LHR so the mainline guy's are now schedueled for nightstops those places to fly the SAIL slings - must be cheap.

Rumer has it SAS mainline will start recruiting in the fall/winter and according to management it will not be a problem - more than 3500 suitable pilots in the hold pool We will then further bleed out Cityjet if any are left and willing to accept the sub par starting T&C's in SAS.
Last 2 MPL courses SAS trained all went to Norwegian with a fresh TR and much better pay - go figure. RYR are starting up again in CPH - young experienced FO are already talking about joining....

Meanwhile my phone is going berserk with request for buying days off.

Everybody enjoy your summer...

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Old 8th Jun 2018, 12:14
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Is the Cityjet operation crewed by CAE?

If so, do you see the common problem. It seems SAS didn’t learn from their 1st mistake and have gone back to CAE for the SAIL operation.

It may have been the cheapest, but it’s about to bite them in the backside. Fool me once.............etc

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Old 8th Jun 2018, 22:39
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Don't think CAE crews Cityjet? They've hired pilots through Scandinavian based agencies with collective bargaining agreement. Same with FlyBe.

Second hand info is that cabin crew, at least, from LHR have been sent to AGP to operate from there. I guess some form of CPR to proove to everyone that AGP is open and operating.


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Old 9th Jun 2018, 11:07
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Seems like the main problem is the CAE as everything is run by them...

Lets see if SAIL will survive longer than snowflake...
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Old 9th Jun 2018, 20:31
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Anybody who works for an agency must realise that the employer’s first loyalty is to the airline and the pilot comes last.The situation is skewed because we are currently in a very brief window where the availability of experienced crew is very low
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Old 9th Jun 2018, 21:06
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One story if only the contract is with the agency and another story is when agency is actually running whole airline

Example: finnair has a base in BCN and crew is contracted by spanish agency, but everything else is run by finnair.
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Old 10th Jun 2018, 18:52
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That figure of £4300/month for a skipper is horrifically low, not surprising they are having recruitment problems.
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 12:59
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Wow , that is exactly the average pay in Norway.
And we pay less tax in Norway these days.
Cool
Why would anyone plan on staying there for long.
And PS Malaga is not cheap anymore!!

Every single RYR FO in Malaga that has past 1500hrs makes more: Again Wow.
But then again that is in Reykjavik.
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 14:05
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I did not hear about a single ryr agp skipper that applied to sail.

Also seems like EI-SIE did not fly since the 7th of Jun...

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Old 14th Jun 2018, 20:43
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Fact: SAS Mainline is opening recruitment this fall. People in hold pool are given start dates in august.
Fact: SAS Ireland can not attract enough qualified, willing, able and suitable candidates.
Rumour: Two airframes headed for SAS Ireland are now going to SAS Mainline.
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 22:31
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Originally Posted by MD80rookie View Post
Fact: SAS Mainline is opening recruitment this fall. People in hold pool are given start dates in august.
Fact: SAS Ireland can not attract enough qualified, willing, able and suitable candidates.
Rumour: Two airframes headed for SAS Ireland are now going to SAS Mainline.

SAS already started to look for cc as well for ARN base, but something is not right there, as at the bottom of the cc job vacancy they wrote:

¨I den här rekryteringen samarbetar vi med CAE. För frågor gällande rekryteringprocessen er du välkommen att kontakta CAE epost...¨

¨In this recruitment we work with CAE. For questions regarding the recruitment process, you are welcome to contact CAE email...¨
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Old 15th Jun 2018, 08:53
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Good to hear that SAS is taking in more pilots, a lot of tired LOCO commuters that wants home!
Now the question is can they afford to start?

With regards to CAE
They have come a long way from building simulators.
In ca 2003 they bought Schreiner FlightcrewTraining as it was the 4 biggest at the time and Schreiner almost bankrupt.
We told them how a TRTO was run and everyone was happy.
Then the acquired some agency to milk that market to, and I am not sure they got the timing and the expertise right on that one.
Does not look like it in this case. .
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