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Old 30th Apr 2018, 22:12
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Yes.

According to a pilot that flies for SAIL, 15 out of 58 pilots are leaving or has already left. 25% of contracted staff leaving as soon as something else turns up?!

Will you be able to start the base in Malaga?
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Old 13th May 2018, 16:20
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recruitment

CAE recruitment ads seems to not have been updated since mid-April. And the screening dates are old now. Is SAIL finally in line with their needs and have their crews in place? Is Malaga starting up now?
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Old 13th May 2018, 19:07
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SAIL are chronically short.
Malaga probably opening, at least until the last person leaves!! 😤
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Old 22nd May 2018, 08:12
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AGP is opening. How? Nice question.
Still bleeding pilots and deeply short of newcomers.

Titanic mood: on
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Old 22nd May 2018, 13:58
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Latest news from the rumor mill.
2+3 SAIL ac parked in HAM due to lack of crew.
Predict it will be shut down late this year and mainline pilots blamed for the huge loss.
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Old 22nd May 2018, 15:15
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I do not see why mainline pilots should be blamed for a failure, if that will happen.
The responsibles are in different offices, one is definitely on the funny island.
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Old 22nd May 2018, 20:39
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Another rumor talks about plans of placing the 3 A/C currently stored at XFW in SAS Main instead in order to get them flying. Apparently, CAE/Parc has informed SAS management that they won't be able to supply pilots at terms agreed.
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Old 22nd May 2018, 22:00
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Doubtful that SAIL will close down. Mainline cannot absorb 9 jets. They are short themselves.

I believe SAIL crews (pilots and cabin) have refused to sign the new contract for the 2nd time. Good on them. A couple of heads have already rolled at CAE. I saw a letter that was sent to the pilots, stating recruitment wasn’t an issue as guys from WOW and EZY were showing a “genuine” interest. 😂😂😂 That dude no longer works for CAE.

Apparently negotiations are ongoing with CAE, SAIL and SAS. Here’s to a positive outcome and improved conditions for all. The crews there actually want to make it a success, but were frustrated by CAE and their denials.
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Old 22nd May 2018, 22:07
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Originally Posted by tubby linton View Post
Having been involved with Cae Parc on a different contract I wouldn’t trust them to organise a drinks evening in the Guinness brewery at St James Gate in Dublin.
you made my day mate!
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Old 23rd May 2018, 09:47
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ATIS,

Better term at SAIL defies the purpose of their existence.
SAS pilots not working on days off over the summer will create havoc and this at the same time as most of the subcontracted airlines can´t deliver.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 10:13
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@ATIS,

Fact is that it would be easy for SAS Main to absorb 3 A/C into the fleet with little or no notice. And fast recruiting to have them manned with new - most likely rated - jockeys could be done with people being ready and line released within 3-4 months.

SAIL is nothing more than an extension of the plan launched by Lindegaard 15 years ago: Avoid negotiating with unions at all cost; outsource production for the sake of creating competion among the airlines within the SAS Group to get the lowest production cost.
The failed attempts of this strategy so far are Blue1, Spanair and Snowflake. SAIL is headed the same way, where rumors have it that the cost of employing crew has surpassed the cost of a new SAS Main pilot. My bet is that as soon as the current COO of the SAS Group has been sacked, SAIL will be history. I wouldn't sign up for SAIL for a long term perspective.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 12:12
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What about the rumours a "lot of pilots" leaving LHR base for EZY etc? As far as i know there haven't been any issues with crewing at all so far in LHR. All aircrafts seems to be doing 5-7 legs each daily without any problem.
Is the "crewing problem" just hopes from people out there, or is it coming for real?
A friend working in DK for SAS told me management there describe it as a big success so far, not really what it seems like if you read here.. What's the truth?

I have however heard there is a lot of applications in our ("another big A320 operator") database from SAIL pilots..
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Old 24th May 2018, 09:53
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Originally Posted by heavydane View Post
Latest news from the rumor mill.
2+3 SAIL ac parked in HAM due to lack of crew.
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EI-SIA,B,C,D,E and F are all flying today.
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Old 24th May 2018, 10:38
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Facts anyone?

Hi
As previously stated I was shocked when SAS chose to do this SAIL thing. Mainly for moral reasons, but also for practical and economical reasons!!
It make no sense!
But first a few questions!
Is SAS mainline recruiting in Scandinavia? I know for a fact that 10 pilots has quit to go to Norwegian to get a base they can live with. This has NEVER happened in the Braathen days or recently AFTER SAS offered the ca 400 layoffs to come back as per the Contract.
What is the demand for pilots in SAS , say the next 5 years, considering the enormous ( relative ) retirement in progress.?
It would be nice if any insiders would enlighten us on this, as I have encouraged may FOs to go to SAS as opposed to NOR.

Now for my Rant:
Does anyone with a sound mind and half a degree in trade think it is a good idea to set up shop on Liberia Island , NOW in this environment!
That is , lack of pilots AND RYR being Unionized , and the EU local Tax enforcers FINALLY reading the Job Description they signed!!!
I claim it is the Sweds , our good old fiend, eeerr Friend! The day of a proud nation and Janne Carlson is long gone.
Now it is more like Pippi:" I have never done this before, lets give it a shot, I bet I am good at it"
She often was, but then again she had a chest of Gould in the basement !
End Rant.
Regards
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Old 24th May 2018, 11:12
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Originally Posted by anderse View Post

EI-SIA,B,C,D,E and F are all flying today.
heavy was referring to G H and I
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Old 24th May 2018, 20:48
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Not delivered?

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heavy was referring to G H and I
The lists I’m looking at from end of April isn’t up to date (since they are from the end of April ), but I can’t find neither of G, H, or I in the EI registration database. And I can not find any information about their deliveries from Airbus either. Could it be that they actually aren’t delivered yet?
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Old 24th May 2018, 22:59
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What is the demand for pilots in SAS , say the next 5 years, considering the enormous ( relative ) retirement in progress.?
"We won't make it through the next summer without hiring." The words of the Flight Deck Manager as I heard them today.
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Old 25th May 2018, 10:02
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There is a need for heavy reqruitment in SAS Main over the next years. First of all 100-120 new pilots needed just to keep the operation going during the 737 to a320neo transition. Then most likely expansion on long haul when the a350 arrives and on top of that 150-170 pilots retiering each year from 2020 to 2025.

T/C are much better at NAS, there you can almost choose your own base, fixed 5/4 rooster, SAS has variable rooster for 60% of its short haul crew, and pay is 10-15% better at NAS.

Hovever SAS management is living 10 years in the past and believes that contracted crews on european bases is the future, and they are currently downsizing main.
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Old 25th May 2018, 10:47
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Hovever SAS management is living 10 years in the past and believes that contracted crews on european bases is the future, and they are currently downsizing main.
Spot on. What they haven't realized is that pilot pay and rosters is not what makes SAS so inefficient and non-competitive, and other airlines more efficient and competitive, its all the waste on overhead costs and their complete inability to adapt the business to the ever changing business environment they are operating in.

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Old 25th May 2018, 11:07
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172 and toffy

Thanks for the info.
We all know what this is all about, namely pimping the bride for Lufthansa.
If IAG and the Little Irishman gets hold of Norwegian, SAS has a potential problem , depending how Norwegian is quartered and hung!
I would not want to even start speculating how BA and IAG will use NOR in the Scandinavian market, but SAS will not be stronger!
So it is all about the Sweedish " Blåruss" in Your management trying to get the unit cost down!
Fair enough , but it is dammed hard to run an airline without pilot as RYR Lufttransport and the American Commuters recently has found out.
I just watched the pathetic video of the WestJet CEO crying for mercy to avoid a strike.( On the Canada thread). And he had a point that us FlyBoys tend to forget, namely that the whole company get payed better whenever we get better pay! The Engineers deserves good pay, but the rest NOT.
Pilots tend to think the cabin crew also should get a great pay. I think they should be payed according to education and experience!

Regardless
I have crew that are reluctant to even apply never mind start in SAIL on a Spanish base, and most of you have guessed who I am taking orders from.
SAIL will FAIL!
Lets hope some dumb heads in Stockholm will role and You get a Dane or a Norwegian for Boss!
Lastely.
How long is Your OCC course , 6 weeks until linetraining starts or 4 maybe. Time to hire NOW if the summer is going to be saved!
Hang in there Boys, and support the LOCO pilots fight , we are her to stay! And we fly with the Cadets so You dont have to, . Single pilot OPS at times!
Ha ein god dag.
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