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Old 2nd Aug 2017, 19:46
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I've heard the same. Don't quit to start with SAS in LHR.

Don't expect the conditions to improve though. Upper management has promised the board and CEO that pilots in the UK are to be a lot cheaper than in Scandinavia despite the current crap conditions on offer up in the North. Wouldn't be very impressive to come running back tails between legs having to admit pilots won't join a company offering substandard terms and conditions.
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Old 2nd Aug 2017, 20:50
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Are they looking for Non Type Rated Captains of First Officers yet?
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 09:53
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So what is the latest? hear they cannot find pilots......... . That's what you get when you try and cut costs. Strange that they always go for the crews salaries first
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 10:32
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Out of interest, where did you hear that, if you didn't read it here? "Proper" SAS pilots want to know PM me the answer if you don't want it public.
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 11:35
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Actually i have heard the contrary.
First set of crews are ready to start in september.
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 12:58
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Has anyone seen any EI-registered A320s in SAS colours anywhere in the UK lately?
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 15:53
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Semmern You stated there was a delay and heard it from a colleague
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Old 17th Aug 2017, 19:36
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SAS will probably move CRJ-900 operation under Irish OAC , since CITYJET has proven to be totally an flying club with slave deals to employees..
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 09:44
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First OCC starts in sept
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 12:00
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No AOC yet, according to IAA webpage.
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 12:12
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SAS will probably move CRJ-900 operation under Irish OAC , since CITYJET has proven to be totally an flying club with slave deals to employees..
And SAS is doing much better with their Irish AOC terms and conditions?
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 09:10
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Any Rosters out yet? I'd like to see the level of work out of LHR.

Is it just another Max duty/Min rest approach Or is it the holy grail of jobs in the UK.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 11:05
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This whole operation doesn't seem to have been given any proper thought, it seems more like 'well Norwegian have an Irish AOC, so we should do the same'... I struggle to see how there are any cost savings to be had operating from LHR, one of the most expensive and slot constrained airports in Europe.

As was rightly pointed out, the current deals on offer for SAS new hires, both pilots and cabin crew, are a far cry of what was once on offer, and are substantially below what is on offer at Norwegian, and we're talking SAS Scandinavia here. People based in LHR will not work for peanuts either, let alone leave secure employment elsewhere An organisation like SAS seems to be simply incapable of becoming a profitable entity in its current structure, and is being very naive thinking that an Irish AOC and basing staff outside of Scandinavia will be a solution to all their woes.

For those that don't remember, there are several such failed ventures in the history of SAS, whether we're now talking about Snowflake, for those that remember: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowflake_(airline) or Blue1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue1 or Spanair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanair , and I wouldn't be surprised if SAS Ireland might meet a similar fate once the beancounters realise that there are no savings to be had, drawing the same conclusion as with the other projects.

I would tread carefully...
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 19:31
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Originally Posted by november.sierra View Post
I would tread carefully...
Fully agree. The Scandinavian Ireland venture is nothing more than something cooked up by senior management to hold against the pilots in Scandinavia. "Reduce your cost... or else"

The pilot cost in SAS is less than 6% of the total cost base. Given the number of pilots that will retire over the next 10 years, being replaced by new hires at a lower cost, that number will decrease substantially without any influence from SAIL. The current T&C's in SAS is well below most competitors, Ryanair being the exemption, and the only reason SAS are able to attract experienced pilots is the permanent employment with the airline, a seniority system in place with long haul possibilities and union representation.

The beancounters seem to think that the same pilots applying to SAS would also jump at any chance to join SAIL, regardless if all other carriers in the UK offer a better package.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 16:18
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...any news about SAIL?

Everything is very quiet around this, and CAE/PARC are constantly updating their recruiting ads. Is everything in place and will SAIL be good to go in November?
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 17:17
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Latest is one plane in December.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 18:15
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Mid November start if acfts get ready.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 18:38
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Last i heard 2 days ago was a 6 week delay in first acft delivery
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 18:40
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Can anyone confirm whether they have actually got the AOC? Or still a work in progress?
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 18:47
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According to IAA website no AOC yet.

They advertised for a NP Crew Training just a few days ago.

Quite sure that this will be another of SAS failed projects...
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