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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 14:51
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How come they offer 6/3 pattern for captains but 5/4 for FOs? (According to Parcs recruitment adds on their website.)

Is itís due to the massive amount of unemployed A320 captains that CAE exclusively knows about, or is it something else in this?



Anyone with insight about London base? Is there a balance with the crew vs aircrafts yet?
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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 15:52
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Life on top, just out of curiosity, do you fly for any of the outfits we are discussing?
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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 18:31
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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 20:18
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And how many scheduled block hours did you use in your comparison? You are quite the expert in comparing apples and pears, and nagging about the worst of both fruits Did you fly anywhere else than SAS professionally so that you know for sure what you are always talking about?
Take it from someone who's tried both....

You do about the same amount of hours in both outfits. The way you're paid is very different between them two. In terms of net money, Ryanair wins over the course of a career (as of today). If you compare the full package, it throws things around a bit and many perks come just from living in Scandinavian with free this free that..
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 20:25
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Originally Posted by GScapture View Post
Itís a bit sad where SAS has transformed into during the past years.

With multi-union system in Scandinavia failing to negotiate with the company the results are obvious. All the young guys sold out by older colleagues, B-scales created, even more subcontractors with social dumping etc.
For your info. There are no B-Scale in SAS at the moment. This was solved in 2016.
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Old 10th Apr 2018, 21:35
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Originally Posted by 172_driver View Post
Take it from someone who's tried both....

You do about the same amount of hours in both outfits. The way you're paid is very different between them two. In terms of net money, Ryanair wins over the course of a career (as of today). If you compare the full package, it throws things around a bit and many perks come just from living in Scandinavian with free this free that..
Lol.... If you have the same career and does the upgrade at the same time (which you have to assume in order to have any numbers to play with), then the gross salery in Scandi is waaaaay higher than Ryanair, even in the remote chance of working close to 900 a year in Ryan, especially the period as an FO. And that is not to mention the pension scheme in Scandiland...
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 05:50
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No doubt Scandinavian salaries are ok, however SAS Ireland is a totally separate company and things are very sub standard salary and t&c wise. Way below current industry standards.
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 10:03
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Any evidence to back up the rumours, SAIL are finding it very hard indeed enticing flight crew to join?
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 10:14
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To compound their issues, they will no doubt imminently haemorrhage further pilots to BA and Easyjet, once they start sending offers out.

All these shady outfits have been trying their luck since the demise of Monarch and Air Berlin and now they're realising people are waking up and smelling the coffee, after the initial shock.
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 10:39
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Any evidence to back up the rumours, SAIL are finding it very hard indeed enticing flight crew to join?
Offering a Part Time Roster with 5/4/5/13 for a start-up airline that is started with the sole purpose of being cheaper for the owners, should be evidence that they are having a hard time finding "willing, able, suitable" candidates. There are MANY job offers for A320 drivers out there - why should anyone opt for the one with crap conditions?
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 11:23
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Originally Posted by MD80rookie View Post
Offering a Part Time Roster with 5/4/5/13 for a start-up airline that is started with the sole purpose of being cheaper for the owners, should be evidence that they are having a hard time finding "willing, able, suitable" candidates. There are MANY job offers for A320 drivers out there - why should anyone opt for the one with crap conditions?
1 - Basing in LHR or AGP is super important to you.
or
2 - You got rejected elsewhere.

Regarding the new order of new A320s from SAS, anything mentioned about how many that will be deployed to SAIL?
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 12:21
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Originally Posted by Perser_dk View Post
Regarding the new order of new A320s from SAS, anything mentioned about how many that will be deployed to SAIL?
Nil, as per SAS union agreement...
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 15:32
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Originally Posted by MD80rookie View Post
Offering a Part Time Roster with 5/4/5/13 for a start-up airline that is started with the sole purpose of being cheaper for the owners, should be evidence that they are having a hard time finding "willing, able, suitable" candidates. There are MANY job offers for A320 drivers out there - why should anyone opt for the one with crap conditions?
List five or more then? I and many other A320 drivers are looking hard to find the many you are talking about... And I am talking about jobs for first officers :-))

And just to clarify my previous post, I was of course talking about the salary in core Scandi vs. Ryanair...
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 16:26
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Originally Posted by Life on top View Post
List five or more then? I and many other A320 drivers are looking hard to find the many you are talking about... And I am talking about jobs for first officers :-))

And just to clarify my previous post, I was of course talking about the salary in core Scandi vs. Ryanair...
1) easyJet
2) BA/IAG
3) Aer Lingus
4) Lufthansa/Eurowings
5) Air France
6) WOW
7) Wizz
8) Agean
...for starters -and thatís just in Europe
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 18:49
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1) easyJet
2) BA/IAG
3) Aer Lingus
4) Lufthansa/Eurowings
5) Air France
6) WOW
7) Wizz
8) Agean
...for starters -and thatís just in Europe
And you are sure that all of these provide better T/C`s than SAIL?
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 21:01
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And you are sure that all of these provide better T/C`s than SAIL?
Probably not. Aegean I donít know to be honest. Wizz is probably similar whilst the rest are better. easyJet should be a non brainer but then again if you failed to get in (of which Iím certain) youíre stuck with the desperate operators such as SAIL. Anyone can get a typerating these days...
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 19:37
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Politics aside...

In mainline SAS we are now doing LHR flights AND layovers in Malaga, management admits that staffing resources in mainline are limited because of this - can anybody on the inside at SAIL shed light on the current staffing situation at SAIL?

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Old 16th Apr 2018, 21:13
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This might have something to do with the fact that the malaga base is not up and running yet.
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 21:24
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But why?
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 21:28
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Because SAIL is not getting enough crew? A lot of companies hiring and I donít think itís that easy to find crew on those T&Cs.

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