SAS Ireland SAIL
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From: DK
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I don’t need to elaborate on this. You’ll see soon enough now. SAS management is not as smart as it thinks. The economical fundamentals in SAS are now in order, and a company structure without the failing SAIL “project” is where the company will end up. The SAIL project was “accepted” at time when things were very different - that time has gone. Wait and see. Good luck to all - no matter what boat you’re in.
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What about the SAS strike , how will this affect SAIL, when airlines are struggling as it is . They couldn’t have chosen a worst moment when everyone returning from Easter break? Perhaps beginning of the end ? This is going to hit the SAS mainline pockets hard.
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From: The rock
¨673 flights affected
All members of the pilot unions have been called out on strike which means that most domestic, European and all long-haul flights have been canceled. The strike does not include flights operated by SAS external partners, which make up approximately 30 percent of all departures.
External partners are Air Nostrum, CityJet, Flybe, Regional Jet/Nordica and Scandinavian Airlines Ireland and flights operated by these parnters during Friday equals to a total of 334.¨
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I think You are a little misinformed about SAS.
In 2012 ca late September if I am not mistaken, SAS was Bankrupt , for all practical purposes.
That weekend all Unions and Management sat down and eventually agreed to a massive pay cut!
The Pilots took the biggest one
Long story,,,,
Fast-forward to 2018.
Biggest EVER profit in SAS history!!
Now the pilots want a fair pay.
But also a roster that is predictable as SAS runs the old fashion roster and the crew can not plan much on their time off.
Also Union wants SAS Ireland culled.
And a lot of other stuff, I suppose.
SAS is one of the best run Airlines in Europe and is doing good, my friend.
There is major issues for the Union with regards to SASIreland but they are solid.
In 2012 ca late September if I am not mistaken, SAS was Bankrupt , for all practical purposes.
That weekend all Unions and Management sat down and eventually agreed to a massive pay cut!
The Pilots took the biggest one
Long story,,,,
Fast-forward to 2018.
Biggest EVER profit in SAS history!!
Now the pilots want a fair pay.
But also a roster that is predictable as SAS runs the old fashion roster and the crew can not plan much on their time off.
Also Union wants SAS Ireland culled.
And a lot of other stuff, I suppose.
SAS is one of the best run Airlines in Europe and is doing good, my friend.
There is major issues for the Union with regards to SASIreland but they are solid.
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From: Belgium
Don’t think so . Profits made in 2018 however granted
https://www.sasgroup.net/en/wp-conte...nce-190227.pdf
plus a strike costing how much Per day ? Understandably they want a pay rise of course and a share in the profits , but a lot of these profits were made because of SAIL and much lower wage structures and operating costs .So in my view not the best run airline in Europe to the contrary ,
https://www.sasgroup.net/en/wp-conte...nce-190227.pdf
plus a strike costing how much Per day ? Understandably they want a pay rise of course and a share in the profits , but a lot of these profits were made because of SAIL and much lower wage structures and operating costs .So in my view not the best run airline in Europe to the contrary ,
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From: Between a rock and a hard place
Thinking a bit highly of yourself there, don't ya?
One thing is for certain; the Deputy CEO of SAS Group, one of the pilot group's pet peeve, was not kind in his words towards Cityjet and SAIL last summer. Their regularity sucked.. Yet SAS did a decent profit.
Truth is, none of us here really knows much about the financials. Who is bleeding money and who isn't. SAIL is still dumping the social contract (i.e. Scandinavian Model) up north. We don't like it.
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Don’t think so . Profits made in 2018 however granted
https://www.sasgroup.net/en/wp-conte...nce-190227.pdf
plus a strike costing how much Per day ? Understandably they want a pay rise of course and a share in the profits , but a lot of these profits were made because of SAIL and much lower wage structures and operating costs .So in my view not the best run airline in Europe to the contrary ,
https://www.sasgroup.net/en/wp-conte...nce-190227.pdf
plus a strike costing how much Per day ? Understandably they want a pay rise of course and a share in the profits , but a lot of these profits were made because of SAIL and much lower wage structures and operating costs .So in my view not the best run airline in Europe to the contrary ,
I seem to recall stories of lots of SAIL flights having to be cancelled or replaced by mainland SAS.
I am pretty sure that if the Union gets their way, they will go for the kill of SAIL, as I have very reliable sources on what they Union thinks of SAIL. And considering current circumstances, I can't disagree, and this is nothing personal, it's not the people working for SAIL that's at fault, it's just the structure and unscrupulous actions by SAS management who have created this unwanted airline as a part of SAS.
But I would not be surprised if SAIL could become a casualty of the current war, or at least they will suffer slightly because of this current situation.
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Apparently it wasn’t all SAIL’s fault. Late airbus deliveries yada yada yada. 1st one was 3 months late and so on.
But also coming from from a senior SAS Ops guy, SAS offloaded too much to SAIL as they had their own crewing issues especially in Stockholm. Then SAIL guys refused to work days off until their contracts improved. All made for a perfect storm.
Good luck to SAS guys.
But also coming from from a senior SAS Ops guy, SAS offloaded too much to SAIL as they had their own crewing issues especially in Stockholm. Then SAIL guys refused to work days off until their contracts improved. All made for a perfect storm.
Good luck to SAS guys.
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From: Between a rock and a hard place
They'd have to move base to ARN, OSL or CPH and learn the language, to start with. Then start at the bottom of the seniority list, there's no by passing. It's a career airline, people apply and intend to stay.