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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 09:00
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That is interesting and stiff! I asked to CAE if the flexible roster is connected to the high season periods and their answer is:
The flexible roster was added in the last contract because SAS Ireland try to limit flight cancellations. It seems that there is a large turnover of employees (for different reasons), having many trainings and little availability from the employees, definitely SAS Ireland need more flexibility in the rostering.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 12:11
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R1ddle,

SAS management uses SAIL to/from and domestic Scandinavia. They want to operate in Scandinavia without carrying the associated costs of doing so. It's our schools, health care and public services that are loosers. On top of that a perfect tool for union busting. SAS management did not anticipate the local pilot shortage (and I emphasize local, it'll probably be over soon with the fall of Primera, Smal Planet... WOW?)). We'll see if the wind fills the sail again (pun intended), mainline pilots aren't so thrilled. I hope you understand why. It's not the players we're against, it's the business model.

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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 14:53
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Originally Posted by R1ddle View Post
Have SAS recently made pilots redundant?

"Au contraire" there already is a new and improved contract out that is very competitive, but we are still far cheaper as the cost of living outside scandinavia is far cheaper.

I have worked for a number of airlines, not one of my previous companies exist anymore. I learned a long time ago airlines are not pilot charities....some still haven't it seems.

Good luck to all
Living in London is not far cheaper than Scandinavia, furthermore what is the cost of living "cheaper"?
Sometime ago when was working with some ex Ryanair guys, and we talked about Cabin Crew conditions at RyR, I asked the stupid question why do they put up with such conditions, than to be told most of them that come and work come from "poor" European countries such as Spain, Portugal, Italy and Eastern Europe etc. Places where it's not easy to find good paid jobs.
And I can recall from few years back, before my flying days I lived in Spain, and we had this waitress working in our local restaurant, she would work 6 days a week, 2 jobs and around 10 - 12 hours a day, for this she would have around £500 - 600 a month. (around 15 years ago)
So I can see why loads of people get sucked into taking such jobs, and getting treated like trash, for them it's an "upgrade" - this is where EU has become a dream for companies wanting to take advantage of a EU wide cheap labour market to squeeze the prices down.

As 172_driver says, "It's not the players we're against, it's the business model."

R1ddle can you honestly not see the issues with SAIL business model and the threat it poses to SAS mainland? The "Creators" of SAIL are treating you as test subject, they are hoping this will be the future, so they can make more profits, and provide worse TC's to their crews. If you can't see this yourself, than you are part of the problem and culture that needs to change.
You are getting a short term gain, in exchange for long term pain.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 15:40
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Well you have to team up with them instead, just like at Norwegian where the pilot corps has tried to unite instead. In that way the TC's can be improved for everyone.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 17:16
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Originally Posted by Icejock View Post
Well you have to team up with them instead, just like at Norwegian where the pilot corps has tried to unite instead. In that way the TC's can be improved for everyone.
And what planet are you living on?
Let's see how much support Norwegian Core or SAS mainland will get from their "colleagues" contracted by OSM or CAE, next time Norwegian Core or SAS mainland goes out into strike, and the contractors and SAIL will be sent to break the strikes?

Last time Norwegians strike lasted around 2 weeks, and still there was s.... sent into break the unions strike, so this is only a loose - loose scenario.

Of course the excuse will always be that you need to follow the union laws of your land, but don't kid yourself that SAS want you to be equal to SAS mainland company, they will rather strive to make SAS mainland equal to SAIL. Less pay, less benefits, downgrade in overall TC's, that's what the ultimate goal is.

Sure you can try to "talk together", but when push comes to shove, SAIL will be spineless, they will be forced to break strikes of their colleagues if sent to cover SAS mainland flights, because SAIL pilots are NOT employed by SAS.
It's called split and conquer. And it's the worst you can do to a colleague in any profession.

What is sad, is not that you take the job, as you probably don't have much choice, this is what there for you, you can't get a better job, the sad bit is that you at can't even acknowledge that this is the cancer of our industry, and we only have ourselves to blame at the end of the day.

SAIL and SAS will never be the same, for the exact reason as explained, that's why it is important for all of us in the industry that companies like SAIL fails, so we can all be offered proper contracts and proper TC's.

It's also important you don't see this as a personal attack, I wish Ryanair also fails, but not because I want people to loose their jobs, rather that management understand that they can't run airlines this way, and that they must restructure the business model. At the moment example Ryanair are forced to make small steps to improve, similar must apply for companies like SAIL, we hope they fail with their business model, and restructure the company to be in line with SAS mainland.
But at the moment they are founded to take away a large part of SAS mainland business, that means they are taking away jobs from people in SAS mainland company, that's the reality.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 19:56
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Originally Posted by 2unlimited View Post
I wish Ryanair also fails, but not because I want people to loose their jobs, rather that management understand that they can't run airlines this way, and that they must restructure the business model. At the moment example Ryanair are forced to make small steps to improve, similar must apply for companies like SAIL, we hope they fail with their business model, and restructure the company to be in line with SAS mainland.
But at the moment they are founded to take away a large part of SAS mainland business, that means they are taking away jobs from people in SAS mainland company, that's the reality.
Management can run companies this way and do run companies this way. Ryanair have created countless pilot jobs by making aviation more accessible to the masses and creating a great foothold for many people to start their careers in aviation. Get your head out of 1970 and realise that your unions’ strangling terms, massive salaries for little productivity have a place in the history books when it comes to aviation. If SAS don’t do it they’ll be run out of business by the likes of Ryanair and Wizz who will. The consumer is voting with their wallet and is forcing everyone to trim costs.

You’re foolish to think Ryanair will become like SAS mainline, and even if they do there’ll be another ULCC behind them to pick up the pieces and keep fares low for the consumer.

SAS Ireland, even with its challenges is helping reduce the cost of flying for SAS by 30%. There’s not a chance they’ll throw that away because of some disgruntled crew members want their six figure salaries and hefty annual leave allowances at the busiest travel times of the year.

Well done to SAS for creating opportunities to increase their business whilst also maintaining a high standard. If you don’t like it, then go somewhere else to work. Nobody cares.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 20:16
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Originally Posted by ShamrockF View Post


Management can run companies this way and do run companies this way. Ryanair have created countless pilot jobs by making aviation more accessible to the masses and creating a great foothold for many people to start their careers in aviation. Get your head out of 1970 and realise that your unions’ strangling terms, massive salaries for little productivity have a place in the history books when it comes to aviation. If SAS don’t do it they’ll be run out of business by the likes of Ryanair and Wizz who will. The consumer is voting with their wallet and is forcing everyone to trim costs.

You’re foolish to think Ryanair will become like SAS mainline, and even if they do there’ll be another ULCC behind them to pick up the pieces and keep fares low for the consumer.

SAS Ireland, even with its challenges is helping reduce the cost of flying for SAS by 30%. There’s not a chance they’ll throw that away because of some disgruntled crew members want their six figure salaries and hefty annual leave allowances at the busiest travel times of the year.

Well done to SAS for creating opportunities to increase their business whilst also maintaining a high standard. If you don’t like it, then go somewhere else to work. Nobody cares.
Really? Now we know MOL is here on PPRuNe too, what a nasty piece of work.
I will actually enjoy the moment SAIL goes bust, after reading such vitriol. As it shows, the divide is greater than ever, those "RyR" pilots who got their chance there, hates the company and are escaping in droves if they get the chance.
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 07:23
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SAS Ireland, even with its challenges is helping reduce the cost of flying for SAS by 30%. There’s not a chance they’ll throw that away because of some disgruntled crew members want their six figure salaries and hefty annual leave allowances at the busiest travel times of the year.
Ignorant to say the least. You have very little knowledge about terms & conditions in mainline, nor the unit cost of SAIL.

Go right ahead, sell yourself cheap. With comments like that I cannot wait for Brexit to happen sooner rather than later.

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Old 10th Dec 2018, 15:06
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 15:21
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Originally Posted by matt283 View Post
SAIL is operating now 8 a/c and number of cancellations still doesn't reduce...

Any inside news? Cabin crew in Malaga are still working without contract?
So happy news all the way around. May it long continue, so they will offer people proper contracts, or maybe just join SAS instead.
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 07:57
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Malaga base

Originally Posted by matt283 View Post
Apparently newest rumor about closing Malaga base, anybody else heard anything about that??
Can any substantiate the rumor above?


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Old 7th Jan 2019, 09:51
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Any more news about SAIL or the Malaga base?
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 07:35
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Travelled on SAS Ireland some time ago. So sad, nothing left of good ol’ Scandinavian Airlines except for a logo on the tail. So short sighted of SAS, not much left of their nearly century old reputation.

If you want to compete with the LCC’s, you should do it better than (or at least equal to) the LCC’s. But when the only growth available is eating your own core business, it’s like curing a cancer by lighting up.

Lcc’s like Norwegian had a different and more successful strategy; they both expanded the industry as a whole and also conquered market shares from competitors not limited to air transportation only. But they were flawed as well by too an aggressive expansion plan based on high risk. Investments based on over optimistic future outlook. It’s starting to crumble now in Europe. Or should I say, with Europe.

Hiring corporate jackals to do violent restructuring such as mr. Wångdahl takes these companies nowhere fast. In the religion of free and unregulated competition EU is killing reliable air transport services in the continent.

Solution? Run while you can. Go east young man. Make a bold move, before the gates get flooded.

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Old 4th Mar 2019, 15:02
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Any news about recruitment and crewing situation for the summer?
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Old 4th Mar 2019, 17:44
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Originally Posted by Perser_dk View Post
Any news about recruitment and crewing situation for the summer?
i was in MAN for sim today with my Company and they were conducting interviews for 3 guys.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 21:54
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Ladies and gents,

Does anyone have any info on SAS Ireland interview and simcheck? Captain position. I have assessment tentatively lined up for early April

I also have some info that I'd be happy to share. Would anyone be so kind as to consider reciprocating? :-)

Best regards

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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 16:54
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https://standbynordic.com/sas-strike...ot-talks-fail/


Looks like soon we will find out if theory saying that SAIL was created only as a bargaining tool for next CLA and pay deal agreements negotiations was true or not...
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 07:17
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Helloooo
what do you think about the company? Should i apply for cabin crew?
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 14:59
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 16:40
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What does that mean? Haha
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